Black People : Black Feminine Women - Black Masculine Men

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  1. Destee

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    Peace and Blessings Family,

    I just closed a thread that had the topic of 'Black Feminists' and it's a good discussion to have, that one was just going all wrong.

    I don't really know what a 'Black Feminist' is ... but looking at the the words ... i think i can relate to it in general.

    I am feminine, i am Black ... is that all it takes to be considered a Black Feminist? Does it require more?

    What about being masculine? If someone refers to a Brother as masculine ... 'Black Masculinists' ... ?? ... what would that mean?

    I don't get it.

    I think folk are taking words, terms, etc., and making them be what they want, and trying to apply their definition to all (or most).

    I don't think we fit easily into boxes like that, no matter how much folk try to put us in them.

    Nonetheless ... what makes a woman a Black Feminist ... does it take more than being feminine and Black?

    What about Brothers, has a term / box been created yet for them, equal to Black Feminist ... like Black Masculinist?

    Thanks in advance Family ... and please ... keep the interactions within the confines of our rules.

    Love You!

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    Masculine meaning the opposite of *************.....
     
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    Sister MsInterpret! ... :eeek: ... ************* ??!! ... what does that mean ... ?? ... please explain.

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    Requesting Permission to Speak :qqb021:
     
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    I think historically, Black feminism as a concept became aligned with white feminism--the idea being that Black women were co-opted into a movement which supposedly didn't traditionally apply to us. That may be true to a certain degree. However, what I've noticed is that the term is often incorrectly, strategically, and maliciously applied to Black women who are addressing GENUINE problems within the race community---particularly when Black male flaws are addressed. This is not to say that we are not without flaws that need addressing; however, those who levy those false accusations, or labels (i.e. 'feminist,' 'lesbian,' and so forth), often throw them to keep light off their own agendas and demons and to essentially silence Black women into what they deem a secondary, less threatening role in our families and communities.
     
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    MsInterpret Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    LOL

    Some girlfriends of mine and I usually say that men who whine like babies or go around ranting like they're a 12 year old girl who started her MANstrual cycle...We say they've earned degrees in ************* 101

    Total opposite of a man...Not that men aren't entitle to complain, because they are...

    Here's a much broader explanation

    http://dontmarry.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/the-*************-of-the-american-male/
     
  7. Destee

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    You don't need permission to speak.

    I just need you to act as though you know where you are.

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    Black Feminism is an absurdity up onto itself.

    first birthed out of the White feminist movement, championed by the likes of gloria Steinem, and lead by the likes of Michele Wallace who can be credited as one of the heads of this movement to take this popular, successful and nation-wide in a way that appeals to white interests and black confusion/self-inferiority. Ntozake shange's play-- "for Colored girls" (which yes is the same as the movie that was made last year adapted from this) driving the stake into the coffin even further.

    (Yes I know many of your modern day Afrocentric TRY to use sojourner Truth and harriet tubman as examples-- but they are a stretch to me. Michele Wallace is more so the appropriate one)

    Looking at black feminism from it's historical viewpoint, we can begin to deduce a couple of things.

    It is BROAD-ranging.
    Yet It's themes are unified on one thing-- the black man is the enemy or is just as big of an enemy as the white supremacist system is.
    It is a combination of the ideals of white feminism along with a form of Afrocentricity that most blck women seek to try to use in healing their community with. which cannot be done. It is confusion onto itself at it's very finest.

    It breeds contempt.
    It misprioritizes values.

    I am convinced that no progress can ever come out of this movement. Hell-- just look at these brothers right here in this vid clip:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkJWTXIawtI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKXP_JcbBhU


    ^^If THAT isnt MASS confusion I dont know WHAT is. this is all I see feminism doing.
     
  9. Destee

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    Okay Sister ... thank you ... :)

    I didn't read the whole article you linked, but I read enough to make me know, I was not impressed with the author's thoughts. I got the clear distinction that they are white, though I could be wrong. They talked about the ************* of the western male, which doesn't speak pointedly enough to the Black Male, for me. I'd not apply the stuff they were saying, to Black Men.

    To refer to a Brother using any form of the word "pussi" ... is a direct insult and can only kill any hope for meaningful dialogue ... i'd think.

    I don't know Sister. If when you and your friends are talking about a Brother that complains a lot, why not just say that ... that he complains a lot ... instead of taking it to a low down dirty place, to which there would probably be no return, if he heard yall talking about him like that.

    iono ...

    Thanks for explaining moe betta for me doe! :D

    Love You! :grouphug:

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  10. Destee

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    You're certainly entitled to your opinion, and i appreciate you sharing it, but you do realize ... not everyone feels the way you do ... right?

    You're painting with broad stokes.

    I'd consider myself a Black Feminist, by virtue of being Black and Feminine ... yet none of that other stuff applies to me.

    I know nothing of the things you've mentioned above, and don't feel they impact me in any significant way.

    Nonetheless, you feel strongly that it is what ails you / our people.

    I wonder ... how do you distinguish Sisters that are Black and Feminine, from those who are the "Enemy Black Feminists" you abhor?

    Or, pray tell, do all Black Feminine Sisters qualify as a Black Feminist, in your mind?

    Thanks in advance.

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