Black Spirituality Religion : Black Christian People

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Thank you for asking!

I believe @Al D is saying that Black Christians believe in ‘a religion’ [Christian religion] that was forced on them and then used to keep them ‘blind’ and doing the White man’s will. And my initial response is that this false religion is based on false interpretation. So, my quick answer would be as I presented before in another thread conversation with @Fireman:

Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2 Peter 1:20.

But yes, you are right in that there are different variations of the Bible. But even in this thread post Firemen speaks about ‘Faith’ and ‘Spirituality’ AS A BASIS and this is a definite aspect but not the whole. My concentration is on script but I also strongly believe in what firemen is saying as well to be part of the whole. The Bible SCRIPT is a vital aspect of Christianity from which ‘religion’ sprung from. And while it may be okay for White people to just have this BLIND FAITH and Spirituality, however, this very aspect of BELIEVING BLINDLY and having FAITH WITHOUT WORKS is what led BLACK CHRISTIANS into believing in this AMERICAN CHRISTIAN FALSE RELIGION.

Bro Al D, doesn’t seem to have a problem with Firemen’s take on this, but he put up this thread that definitely addresses BLACK CHRISTIANS that regards this BLIND FAITH with the basis of being spoon fed. So, to answer your question about ‘INTERPRETATION’:

I believe that it is NEVER okay for BLACK CHRISTIANS TO just have FAITH WITHOUT WORKS, because that is the process in how we have been deceived. Some people are accepting certain FALSE INTERPRETATIONS as being truth. Just like any other script, the Bible contents must be CONFIRMED in order to accept as being TRUTH. Some aspects of the Bible are based on spirituality though but ‘as time passed’ a lot of what was written from a past author having inspiration from the Holy Spirit has come to pass and has been confirmed. The Book of Revelation is one book that caused contention but as time passed, and truth confirmed, it became accepted completely as a BIBLE CANON. So, I asked for an example of what is meant by ‘anyone’s interpretation of the Bible being truth’ and have not received a confirmed answer, but I will try to give an example:

[1] BIBLE CANONS
This is my FIRST EXAMPLE—Since the time of script, educated people in historical civilizations have written and published books, from ancient Egypt to Rome and etc. And the process of the Bible canons takes on this same process of confirming ‘authorship’ and true content. Bible Canons are books and written works that have been globally accepted by scholars back in the Roman Empire times and then later brought up for review during the AD 1500s and etc. As of today, no one doubts the written works of the witnesses of Jesus Christ that of Matthew, John Mark, Luke, John, and Peter. But some books written at that time, were not from the Original Hebrews and contained a lot of false information and so, they were not included in the Protestant Bible Canon. So today, the basis for FALSE INTERPRETATION is due to (1) Slavery and WHITE SUPREMACY and (2) INTENSE HATRED AGAINST the Priesthood, and (3) intense hatred against BLACK NAPPY HEADED MANKIND [ie the term ‘mankind’ includes Black womankind as well!]

[2] Example #2—The BOOKS OF PETER—Most White Supremacist who have benefitted from the enslavement of the Black man, and through slavery spoon fed us about Peter because they loath Peter more than any of the apostles!!! Why!? Well, for an extremely crucial reason that goes all the way back to the Original Seth. Most White people accept Paul’s writings and the GOSPEL, but loath Peter’s writings, because ‘the brother broke it down’, but more so, because INHERITANCE—GENETICS—DNA. BLACKNESS. So today, Black Christians have to confirm based on their being ‘BLACK AFRICAN’ and this is the core of Peter’s books. So let me give a ‘very’ quick break down from the distant past to the present up to and beyond Peter—based on script and research:

[2a] All time lines in the old and new world match up regarding certain historical events and so regarding (1) 3000s BC, -- NARMER-THE BULL-KING Marks this time span of Black African-typed people in Africa. The mass tomb graves…He warred against the Asiatics. (2) 2000s BC --was the time period that included the biblical Noah and the flood, but let’s focus on secular scholarly books about ancient Egypt and IMHOTEP—the overthrow of Dynasty 3—the Pyramid Age. The ART HISTORY of Black African images and script during this time period agrees with the Bible content as well. (3) 1000s BC--Then let’s look at the Biblical time of Israel and its’ early KINGS. The Bible states that;

[a] 1100s BC--‘GOD’ chose KING SAUL and he was very tall! It also says that he was PART-KISH and that means that SAUL matched the similar DNA of that region in that it was inhabited by EHTIOPS (i.e. Ethiopians—BLACK FACED) Philistines. The term KISH means BLACK, ETHIOPIANS, AFRICANS, … the kind of Black Africans that tended to be tall and very Black skinned. And, again, this matches what the Bible states as well. The Bible goes into a lot of detail though, about how there was a civil war amongst the Hebrews and the Benjamites were almost wiped out, but intermixed with the people of Kish and this was how Saul came to be a descendant of Kish on his maternal side! His phenotype matched the phenotype of the very Ethiopians described to be indigenous to that region and in the Philistine forces! And so, if we follow the Bible story about Saul, he was being ‘too friendly’ to the Philistines and Amalakites and this is what angered the Hebrew leaders. The Philistines and the Amalekites allowed a Color Caste system to set up in their lands at this time. So, even though ‘GOD’ chose Saul, he threw him down later. And then came David;

1000s BCDavid was chosen. FAST FORWARD…. David ancestry shows that ‘a white woman’ [ie eastern woman] was part of his recent lineage [i.e. Ruth, his grandmother]. But unlike Saul, David was like ‘a mad man’ when it came to his hatred for White Supremacy. So David tried to persuade the EHTIOPIAN FOOT SOLDIERS to fight against their own oppression!!! But many Black Christians are worshiping, as you say @NNQueen, practicing religion together with White Christians, so they will not read the Bible for themselves. David’s distrust was not against THE PHILISTINES, but as the Bible meticulously states, David did have a problem with ‘the LORDS of the Philistines’ which were WHITE GREEKS. So, the Bible goes on to say that the ‘LORDS OF THE PHILISTINES’ sent David away and back to camp, while they confronted King Saul and the Hebrew force. They did not trust David…. FAST FORWARD, when ‘the Philistines’ heard later that the Hebrew king was now, DAVID after Saul was killed, they knew they were ‘in for a fight’… FAST FORWARD… Later David puts his own son on his throne; SOLOMON;

[c] 900s BC-- SOLOMON who was --- BLACK SKINNED. When Solomon got old, he wrote about his own presence as a Black skinned man and meticulously weaves in the vital importance of GENETICS, DNA, and INHERITANCE that goes all the way back to the NAPPY HEADED ORIGIN. But many Black Christians are believing that it is not important and that it does not matter what color JESUS was and etc. FALSE RELIGIOUS INTERPRETATION. Yes, Slave teachings stress only one aspect, that we should have BLIND FAITH and ONLY worship GOD in spirit without regarding the Bible script of a physical world, such as, Joseph being forced into a dungeon, the Jews being forced into Babylonian captivity…Israelites being skinned alive by the Assyrians! Pure deception! God checked Moses’ sister for the same issue COLORISM! LOL. Moses married a Black skinned woman. David married a Black skinned woman and other ethnic women of that region such as Abigail. Okay now FAST FORWARD… Let’s fast forward to PETER

[d] Roman EraAnno Dominus-- Just as Solomon wrote in prophecy and others, Jesus was not BLACK SKINNED, but he had African traits. He had BUSHY hair. But it was Jesus that named Simon, ‘PETER’, and for a deep reason that goes way back in time when ‘God’ dealt with White Supremacy and Black Self-Hatred. The word-name PETER stems from the word ‘PETROLEUM’—BLACK OIL, and this has been the entire Bible theme. Simon-Peter was BLACK SKINNED and this is one of the reason Jesus’ chose him to be the PETROLEUM—THE ANOINTED ROCK upon which he would set his movement ‘the church’ upon and the gates of ‘White Supremacy’ [hell] would not prevail against!!! It has to do with GENETICS, INHERITANCE, CHOSEN SEED that continued to carry the origins of ADAMAH, the Black African Nappy-headed origin! —The Y-DNA that all modern males stem from!!!

It is so amazing that Black Christians and Blacks, in general, cannot recognize how Europeans have loathed the Apostle Peter and have framed him intensely to be 'SWARTE PEIT'-- of their menstrel show parades, and how the Dutch paint their faces as SWARTE PEIT march in their parades-- an how Nigerians and so many others have campaigned against this evil-- in regards to the very Apostle Peter! LOL! Many Europeans too, are fighting against this age old insult about the Apostle Peter.

And, it was the Protestant Movement that led to the translation into the KJV so, as I said before, there are many non-Black-African humans that fight against White Supremacy and FALSE INTERPRETATION of ancient script as well, more so than many a Black people. But whether it is White people or Black people that support White Supremacy may be a diversion from the reality of it being a phenomenon. There is no variant of INTERPRETATION that concerns the reality of White Supremacy as a content included in the Bible other than FALSE INTERPRETATION. So, Black Christians are not the only ones to have been deceived. Many Blacks support ideologies of White Supremacy but are too busy pointing the finger at Black Christians to recognize their being exploited too.

[3] SCHISMS—vs INTERPRETATIONSI wonder if many people are misunderstanding the idea of ‘interpretation’ as opposed to ‘schisms’ which the prophets did address in their writings. But the Bible never defined Jesus as being White, with straight-type hair—Michael D’Angelo’s depiction—so if Black Christians say that it does not matter what Jesus looked like, well, that is a sign of practicing a false religion because that would be totally adverse to the very Bible they proclaim that their religion is based upon. So conclusively;

3000s BC—Narmer the Black Bull King—Black African-typed man
2000s BC—Imhotep, the THEBAN PRIESTHOOD in Africa & ------------------ Black African traits
--------------- Noah was written to be ‘PERFECT IN HIS GENERATIONS’ ----- Black African traits
1900s BC –ABRAM—born in CHALDEA, land of KUSH HAM—God changes his name to Abra-HAM
1000s BC—Middle East -Kings of Israel- SAUL of KISH ------ Chosen by God—Ethiopian-African traits
900s BC—David’s own BLACK son as King of Israel—SOLOMON defines himself as Black African
Anno Dominus—Roman Empire times--- JESUS NAMES Simon—PETER--- BLACK SIMON!


Lol; If Black people and Black Christians do NOT see the Black African theme in the so-called White man’s Bible translations, it may be because they don’t want to see it! LOL. It may be because of being misled, conditioned through false interpretation by the Slave yard teachings but now, after time, it may also be because some Black people just simply blaming White people and not reading and doing their own research.
Sister Dove, you had it before but you have definitely earned more of my respect with this post. Anyone who can articulate so clearly what they believe is admired by me. Thank you! :heart:
 

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So would you say that what African Americans who consider themselves to be followers of Christ (to borrow Fireman's wording) are worshiping today, a bastardized version of the Christian religion?
As an atheist I don't think it's for me to say who has found true christianity. I just believe that people who are searching for god themselves have a better chance of becoming a good person than people who are just beeing part of the christian institutions and repeating and obeying their rules.

As I see it the New Testament is quite clear about beeing a good person, and allthough atheist I agree with most. But a religion or a denomination is mostly an instution and just like or even more than other institutions they grow morally corrupt, become instruments of power and oppression and channels for hypocrisy, not just Western white christian denominations. But not all sense of right and wrong from the New Testament has been successfully surpressed all the time and I just wanted to point out that for example the resistance against slavery in Europe was motivated by strong christian beliefs while the supporters of slavery usually had more 'practical' and earthly views and motivations.

I think it's only fair to look at christianity's inner values too, and not just at it's institutions in times and/or places when and where they were most morally corrupted. Also the white Western European christian institutions have shown a much nicer face the last century, unlike a large part of white American christianity.

Yes, I do agree to this partially! We are globally affected though by Big government. And so while, I can see that other countries have a different take on Christianity "as a religion", the Western World has been very influential-- in a negative way--globally.
America and the Western world aren't the same either, when it comes to both race and religion the differences between America and Western-Europe have been huge and growing in the last 100 years.
Isn't freedom of religion, quite essential to having this topic at all, a Western-European concept anyway? The Western World has been very influential in positive ways too and we have little reason to assume that non-Western influences would have been much more positive. I just don't believe Africa would have been a continent of peace, love and happiness if only the Western-Europeans had stayed out of it. Because everywhere in the world it's usually not the good people that rise to power, ruthlessness is what helps people to become powerful, and once they are they hardly ever change into good people, and if they do they often lose power. Very few civilizations in history or countries today have the structures to get the good people in power and keep them there.
 

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Sister Chevron, I do not accept the bible as being the word of a so-called God. I also feel that most of it is left to interpretation.

I understand your position, Bro Al D, however, you started a thread directed to 'Black Christians', so because I do believe that the Bible is the Word of God, or more specifically, the KJV Version of the HOly Bible is the Word of God, would it not make sense for me to address this thread, your thread with references from this basis?

No matter who is reading it, they will interpret it to mean whatever they choose.
Regarding 'Interpretation', I briefly addressed this issue by bringing up the term 'SCHISMS' and hope to share more of what I have researched on this term, because this term is a 'distinct form of interpretation' as well, but just like any well established government, past and present, such our American Constitution, all systems have a script of which becomes THE STANDARD, and therefore, it is really not left up to the subjects, or citizens, to INTERPRET, but there will always be a higher level of authority that standardizes its script based system; therefore, the Bible is no different. That is why I mentioned the term BIBLE CANONS.

So far as INTERPRETATION, yes, it's okay for people to have their own opinions and forms of interpretations of what the Bible is stating and/or what the American law is stating, but there is a standard nonetheless. I gave examples of a form or 'standard' of interpretation.

Let's just remove the bible for the sake of argument.
Bro Al D, you started this thread addressed to 'Black Christians', therefore, the Bible would be the standard from which we would base our discussions, however, in this very thread, I have also included several SECULAR references as well, or so I thought I did.

My contention is that folks don't need religion esp. Christianity in any form.
What are folks exactly placing their faith in and for what purpose?
Again, I really don't understand the 'religion aspect' myself. Just being honest. But I try. As far as the Christian REligion, well, it's a confusion to me, but as a Christian, I base my beliefs on script and so, I don't see any other form of religion that is better than is worthy either. I don't even know if I would be considered a religious person. I'm thinking perhaps, religion may be like, having to go to Sunday Church services every sunday, and I don't believe in this 'completely'!

I'm thinking 'religion' may be like every person of a certain religion must do something or else, they are deemed not of that religion? I don't know.

You asked "What are folks exactly placing their faith in and for what purpose?"

Good question of which my answer would be that we do need to place our faith in something or else, we will be forced UNDER a higher governments' form of religion and used for their purpose and it will be soul killing to just exist in limbo, so-to-speak.
 

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The Western World has been very influential in positive ways too and we have little reason to assume that non-Western influences would have been much more positive.

So on point!

I just don't believe Africa would have been a continent of peace, love and happiness if only the Western-Europeans had stayed out of it.
This is a bitter-sweet statement for me, but I absolutely agree. I did address this in this very thread and my comment about 'being NAIVE' about how wonderful AFrica was before slavery and how 'our ancestors' were sharing dancing and drums and such was interupted and we were robbed... I did make a statement along these very lines! LOL!

I just believe that people who are searching for god themselves have a better chance of becoming a good person than people who are just beeing part of the christian institutions and repeating and obeying their rules.
I agree.

a denomination is mostly an instution and just like or even more than other institutions they grow morally corrupt, become instruments of power and oppression and channels for hypocrisy, not just Western white christian denominations.
So true!

But not all sense of right and wrong from the New Testament has been successfully surpressed all the time and I just wanted to point out that for example the resistance against slavery in Europe was motivated by strong christian beliefs while the supporters of slavery usually had more 'practical' and earthly views and motivations.

I think it's only fair to look at christianity's inner values too,
Absolutely!

and not just at it's institutions in times and/or places when and where they were most morally corrupted. Also the white Western European christian institutions have shown a much nicer face the last century, unlike a large part of white American christianity.
Your words are so amazing.

Yes, about the gradual corruption of governments and 'religions' and such, coming from what I see in the Bible, around the AD 90s at the time of the Book of Revelations, it was brought even at this time at the set up of Christianity in the form of its' 7 Churches, that all was not perfect, even at that time with its Church followers. It was like, 6 out of the 7 Churches that were marked to have certain negative issues and so the Bible goes on to say, pretty much that after a certaint time, there would be a GREAT FALLING AWAY and soon the Church system will be removed from the earth anyway [ie. the voice of the Bridegroom & Bride] will be heard no more... So the issue of corruptions was already addressed in so many ways, but some people based their 'interpretation' on themselves, and may not realize they just are not well informed on script, as a whole. The Church was set up on a standard and was suppose to be 'A CONTINUAL WORK IN PROGRESS' but after the 3rd and 4th generations, due to a common human condition of how corruption seems to always overtake the beginning goodwill intentions, governments go through some type of historical overhaul.
 

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Regarding 'Interpretation', I briefly addressed this issue by bringing up the term 'SCHISMS' and hope to share more of what I have researched on this term, because this term is a 'distinct form of interpretation' as well, but just like any well established government, past and present, such our American Constitution, all systems have a script of which becomes THE STANDARD, and therefore, it is really not left up to the subjects, or citizens, to INTERPRET, but there will always be a higher level of authority that standardizes its script based system; therefore, the Bible is no different. That is why I mentioned the term BIBLE CANONS.
For me interpretation is interpretation regardless of whatever heading they may assign to it.
Schisms (a split or division between strongly opposed sections or parties, caused by differences in opinion or belief). The term itself suggests division and a separation caused by differences in belief.
In addition, because a certain standard is set by so-called authoritative figures does not mean that it is correct and can not be challenged. That concept in itself lends to control and exploitation and yields servitude. If everyone conceded to that mode of thinking and capitulation we'd all be at the mercy of those setting the so-called standard.

Again, I really don't understand the 'religion aspect' myself. Just being honest. But I try. As far as the Christian REligion, well, it's a confusion to me, but as a Christian, I base my beliefs on script and so, I don't see any other form of religion that is better than is worthy either. I don't even know if I would be considered a religious person. I'm thinking perhaps, religion may be like, having to go to Sunday Church services every sunday, and I don't believe in this 'completely'!
I can understand how it can be confusing
As a Christian you base your beliefs on script. This is exactly my point sister Chevron, you have been indoctrinated so it has become so much a part of you and who you are. You embrace this because it is what you were taught. If you were Chinese it would possibly be either Taoism or Buddism. If you were Arab it would be Islam. If you were Jewish it would be Judaism. If you were Indian it could be a number of religions Jainism, Zoroastrianism, Hinduism, Buddism, Chistianity etc. and you would follow the texts or scriptures of that faith or religion. So therefore you are not able to exercise free thought or free will.

I'm thinking 'religion' may be like every person of a certain religion must do something or else, they are deemed not of that religion? I don't know.

You asked "What are folks exactly placing their faith in and for what purpose?"

Good question of which my answer would be that we do need to place our faith in something or else, we will be forced UNDER a higher governments' form of religion and used for their purpose and it will be soul killing to just exist in limbo, so-to-speak.
My contention is that folks can place their faith in themselves and in their own unique abilities. The problem that I see is that people aren't in tune with their inner selves and therefore are always gravitating to something or someone outside of themselves for for relevance. We can build up peoples belief in themselves and their capabilities if they were taught how to focus on that. This is what the church as an institution of faith and other systems of learning could be doing instead of robbing the folks of their identity and money. We can still instill in them good core values and also teach them how to be strong and independent thinkers as well as human beings.. But like the man said; They want a nation of workers and not thinkers....
 
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This should stir up some interesting conversation.

Why do black people of all people on this planet hold onto the so-called Christian faith? It is a well established fact that the early white settlers here used Christianity and some of the scriptures in the bible to justify the enslavement and atrocious treatment of our ancestors. They relegated our people to the status of chattel so that they wouldn’t have to consider them as humans and therefore could be bought and sold just like live stock. Under the classification of chattel they could not be baptized nor could they be Christians which eased their guilt and conscious. Our ancestors weren’t allowed to be a so-called Christian but their descendants willingly embrace this pseudo and con job of a religion.

The so-called religion has risen to prominence by way of wars and destruction of entire civilizations. The early crusades were massive campaigns of murder and massacres of men, women and children who embraced other religions or no faith at all.

They were labeled heretics, pagans and non believers and sentenced to death by burning at the stake. Many hundreds of thousands were tortured if they did not renounce their beliefs and convert to this so-called Christian religion during The Spanish Inquisition. Why even their beloved and venerated so-called God Jehovah brought about The Great Deluge that supposedly killed off all of humanity (with the exception of a few so-called chosen people) and ordered the destruction of cities and the mass killings of its inhabitants.. (Slaughtered men, women and children to be taken as slaves and plunder) in Deuteronomy 20: 10-17. Now I can go on and on about how this religion has been promulgated to mislead folks, exploit and con them out of their money to fill church and pastors coffers, fill their heads with superstitions and their hearts with fear, guilt and shame and got them worshiping a so-called God created by white folks who don’t even consider them equal, but I won’t do that. Oh, I just did, oh well.

So I ask again, why do Black folks in today’s modern world with access to an infinite amount of information, continue to be a slave to a so-called religion used in the past to justify the enslavement of our ancestors?

Below are a few pieces of scriptures provided for your perusal;

The Flood (Genesis 6-8)
The cities of the plain, including Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18-19)
The Egyptian firstborn sons during the Passover (Exodus 11-12)
The Canaanites under Moses and Joshua; Numbers 21:2-3 Deuteronomy 7:1-7; Joshua 6:17, 21)
The Amalekites annihilated by Saul (1 Samuel 15)
I do agree with alot of what you say, but there are still truths and many undecoded secrets in the bible. Back then it was used to make people(especially blacks)docile to accept slavery..verses like "slaves obey your masters"- "if someone slaps you, turn the other cheek." The main way the christian religion is used today is to make people accept capitalism/economic inequality. Quote from Napoleon Bonaparte: "it is religion that prevents poor people from killing rich people". By that statement its obvious religion is a big weapon and a tool to make people accept economic inequality..by always preaching to the poor that their riches are in heaven so dont worry about your condition now. Its no wonder why churches are everywhere in poor neighborhoods of every country.
 

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I do agree with alot of what you say, but there are still truths and many undecoded secrets in the bible. Back then it was used to make people(especially blacks)docile to accept slavery..verses like "slaves obey your masters"- "if someone slaps you, turn the other cheek." The main way the christian religion is used today is to make people accept capitalism/economic inequality. Quote from Napoleon Bonaparte: "it is religion that prevents poor people from killing rich people". By that statement its obvious religion is a big weapon and a tool to make people accept economic inequality..by always preaching to the poor that their riches are in heaven so dont worry about your condition now. Its no wonder why churches are everywhere in poor neighborhoods of every country.
Man I never have come across that quote from Napoleon Bonaparte but it is the truth.. Appreciate the comments man.
 

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So on point!



This is a bitter-sweet statement for me, but I absolutely agree. I did address this in this very thread and my comment about 'being NAIVE' about how wonderful AFrica was before slavery and how 'our ancestors' were sharing dancing and drums and such was interupted and we were robbed... I did make a statement along these very lines! LOL!
Africa before slavery? Was that before or after Europe got inhabited at all?

There something that bothers me about the narrative of all the blacks innocent victims of the evil white man where every black outside Africa was a slave and every white white was getting rich sitting on his ***, other than it's false and simplistic. There's also some humility about this idea of pure victimhood. It suggests a weakness that wasn't there. Africans colonized Spain, African pirates were the fear of the Mediterranean and it's Northern shores, Africans kicked British *** in Kwazulu Natal, Africans made Europeans trade on equal terms in many places, Africans took Haiti. In the end they lost out to the superior European technology but it wasn't a continent of push-overs.

The particular immorality of the Transatlantic slavetrade didn't make all Africans into defenseless innocents. Only in America it came to be such a black and white thing, in both Africa and Europe there was a lot of grey in between. There were white slaves in Africa, there were black sailors on European ships, there were blacks living nextdoor to Rembrandt, there were African elites living together and hooking up with Europeans in Africa, there were rich Africans sending their children to European universities, and even a case of a black becoming a minister and theologian in Europe defending slavery and arguing slaves could be baptized without in his dessertation.


Yes, about the gradual corruption of governments and 'religions' and such, coming from what I see in the Bible, around the AD 90s at the time of the Book of Revelations, it was brought even at this time at the set up of Christianity in the form of its' 7 Churches, that all was not perfect, even at that time with its Church followers. It was like, 6 out of the 7 Churches that were marked to have certain negative issues and so the Bible goes on to say, pretty much that after a certaint time, there would be a GREAT FALLING AWAY and soon the Church system will be removed from the earth anyway [ie. the voice of the Bridegroom & Bride] will be heard no more... So the issue of corruptions was already addressed in so many ways, but some people based their 'interpretation' on themselves, and may not realize they just are not well informed on script, as a whole. The Church was set up on a standard and was suppose to be 'A CONTINUAL WORK IN PROGRESS' but after the 3rd and 4th generations, due to a common human condition of how corruption seems to always overtake the beginning goodwill intentions, governments go through some type of historical overhaul.
Don't forget that the scripture to some degree is the product of the institutions too.
 

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Africa before slavery? Was that before or after Europe got inhabited at all?

There something that bothers me about the narrative of all the blacks innocent victims of the evil white man where every black outside Africa was a slave and every white white was getting rich sitting on his ***, other than it's false and simplistic. There's also some humility about this idea of pure victimhood. It suggests a weakness that wasn't there. Africans colonized Spain, African pirates were the fear of the Mediterranean and it's Northern shores, Africans kicked British *** in Kwazulu Natal, Africans made Europeans trade on equal terms in many places, Africans took Haiti. In the end they lost out to the superior European technology but it wasn't a continent of push-overs.

The particular immorality of the Transatlantic slavetrade didn't make all Africans into defenseless innocents. Only in America it came to be such a black and white thing, in both Africa and Europe there was a lot of grey in between. There were white slaves in Africa, there were black sailors on European ships, there were blacks living nextdoor to Rembrandt, there were African elites living together and hooking up with Europeans in Africa, there were rich Africans sending their children to European universities, and even a case of a black becoming a minister and theologian in Europe defending slavery and arguing slaves could be baptized without in his dessertation.



Don't forget that the scripture to some degree is the product of the institutions too.
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Hi Sweetie Pie Honey Bunch!!!! ... :dance4: ... Welcome Home! So good to have your sweet Spirit in the house! ... YAAAAAAY USSSSS! ... :yaay: :yaay: :swings: ... :heart:
Angela22 wrote on Enki's profile.
I hope all is well with you. Much love.:love:
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