This will likely get moved to the spiritual forum, but I want to start it here because this part of the forum gets the most views and replies, then you can follow it in the spiritual forum. I brought this up in the Should 'Black People Segregate' thread and thought it should be put up for it's own debate/discussion. I really try not to bash the Christians (key word - try). Have I not said that people who adhere to this religion are the ones that fed, clothe, and housed me when I needed it? Gives me a certain point of gratitude and humbleness when it comes to Christians, even if my tolerance is fleeting. You think if they knew I was heathen, they would still do it, help me? I think so. Many never asked me, and many did not care. Those that did ask me or cared tried to convert and did not understand my views. But I understood theirs and why it was working for them succinctly. I know many follow the teachings of Jesus, and in their heart they try to do the right thing. That 'right thing' that is in their heart, they attribute to Jesus instead of themselves. But think about.... for you to want to do that right thing, to help people..... it is really already there. Innate within you. People who don't have that, that are corrupt, greedy, malcontent, and 'bad' - will say they are Christians and follow the word of GOD but they don't because corruption, greed, and badness has inhabited their soul and now that is in their heart. I put GOD in caps for reason. Something just occurred to me. Not sure if I'm on the mark or off, but consider this and tell me what you think. I think Jesus was screwy and a bit odd..... definitely a bit of vagabond crazy had he been doing today what he did then. I read many of his words as they are stated in the bible tho..... crazy he is and a bit nonsensical but I can see the compassion and love he tried to teach to many of his followers. He seems to have a lotta love for children, treating people fairly, equally, giving justice to those who committed crimes (and those who stand accused but did not), and giving hope to those in despair. People, especially black people, who try to follow his words and teachings will often praise, holla, and shout his name 'THANK YOU IN THE NAME OF JESUS!' It's always Jesus this and Jesus that. White people seem more prone to shout and holla about GOD than Jesus. Yes, I know Christians believe in the trinity and that they are one and the same, but for many black people a living Jesus that walked the earth with his ragtag band of poor followers is more tangible than an invisible god in the sky who watches over all, so I think that is why they are more interested in Jesus and scream his name over actually saying 'god'. But this version of Christianity is especially created for the white man. I think it is used as a spiritual and psychological 'escape route.' Their GOD (not Jesus) has all the greedy, punishing, narcissistic, and controlling ways of the white man - and none of this seems to be attributes of Jesus at all. Maybe this is why white folks holla 'GOD' more than they holla 'JESUS' and why black folks do the opposite. Just an observation based on anecdotal evidence, and maybe this is the wrong thread for it since it be a clear highjack.... but I'd like to know if my observation rings true or not, especially from those are Christian but yet open minded. I'm particularly interested in the bold. Thoughts?