Black Entertainment : Birth of a Nation

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  1. NNQueen

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    Yet another film that exploits (don't know if that's the right word, but...) African American's bondage and suffering. How many ways will the story keep getting told and what purpose does it serve? These movies always leave me with mixed feelings, but still, I'm drawn to them.

    Interesting though, this film is to be released in October, before the presidential election the following month. I wonder if it will serve to increase the number of Blacks that go to the polls and cast a vote. Or, be inclined to work differently in the 21st century to bring about change for Blacks.

    Will you go to see the movie?

     
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    AUGUST 13, 1831: NAT TURNER SEES A SOLAR ECLIPSE
    August 13, 2016

    Nat Turner believed the eclipse was a final sign from God and 8 days later he and 70 other slaves killed an estimate of 55-65 white people in Southampton County, Virginia. This is famously known as Nat Turner’s Slave Rebellion.

    Turner was highly intelligent and learned how to read and write at a young age. He grew up deeply religious and was often seen fasting, praying or immersed in reading the stories of the Bible.​

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    https://blackthen.com/​august-13-1831-nat-turner-sees-a-solar-eclipse


    The Birth of a Nation review – slavery epic as brutal as Braveheart
    January 26, 2016

    The story of Nat Turner had profound consequences for America. The slave who became a preacher and then, in 1831, the leader of a revolt is said to have triggered a chain of events that included the civil war and the abolition of slavery less than 35 years later. For Nate Parker – writer, director and star of The Birth of a Nation – it’s been a seven-year journey to get his film made, and with a title provocatively taken from DW Griffith’s famously racist 1915 filmabout the foundations of America and the current furore around diversity in Hollywood, the timing of its premiere couldn’t have been any better. This is an alternative history of America’s roots which spits in the face of Griffith’s account.​

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    https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...sundance-slavery-epic-as-brutal-as-braveheart

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    From what I have heard/read, the rape of his wife in the movie is the catalyst for his rebellion.



    ‘The Birth of a Nation’ Is an Epic Fail
    From its depictions of black women to the representation of slavery itself, Nate Parker’s film is deeply flawed and historically inaccurate.
    October 6, 2016

    A firestorm of controversy has swirled around Nate Parker and his film The Birth of a Nation in the two months since several media outlets revealed that Parker and his co-author, Jean McGianni Celestin, stood trial for raping a young woman in 1999. Across the country, social media lit up as people debated Parker’s guilt, questioned whether to boycott the film, and expressed outrage about violence against women. As the storm raged, however, one critical issue went ignored. No one questioned the fundamental value or quality of the film. Based on the standing ovations it received at the Sundance Film Festival, we assumed thatThe Birth of a Nation was inherently valuable, inspirational, educational, and transformative.

    We were wrong.

    The Birth of a Nation claims to tell the true story of Nat Turner, leader of the bloodiest slave rebellion in United States history. A film on Turner is long overdue, and as a professional historian of the black experience in the nineteenth century, I have anxiously awaited one. I was especially encouraged by September’s issue of Vanity Fair, in which Parker stated that he had become “obsessed with the idea of telling Nat Turner’s story” and that he sought to create “historical fidelity in his depiction of the leader of the rebellion.”

    After attending an advance screening of the film, however, I now know that Parker failed miserably in his mission. Contrary to his promises of “historical fidelity,” Parker created a deeply flawed, historically inaccurate movie that exploits and distorts Nat Turner’s story and the history of slavery in America.​

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    https://www.thenation.com/article/the-birth-of-a-nation-is-an-epic-fail


    Author of article
    http://aaas.osu.edu/people/alexander.282


    Not sure about this being an epic fail based on historical accuracy, because if viewers believe and accept what they see and think that it is edutainment as well, then it serves its purpose?

    Especially if it does this...
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    Some, if not many, accept what they are presented without self edification, so why should this be any different than any other "based on a true story" film?

    Probably still wont participate in viewing this, yet another "American slavery" flick for dollars, especially when it seems there is a newly wide open market for the pimping of emotions.

    It's interesting when soldiers and people that come back from the horrors of war suffer from PTSD, and the doctors fined ways to keep from triggering flashbacks because they cause further mental episodes.

    While the PTSD our ancestors suffered survives within many of us, yet we are continuously forced to relive and view these flashbacks, as if it's a form of therapy.

    Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder
    https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/post-traumatic-stress-disorder-ptsd/index.shtml

    But here is a short representing the revolt...


    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1739214/?ref_=ttfc_fc_tt

    James Baldwin and Ossie Davis:
    The Confessions of Nat Turner


    A May 28, 1968 discussion on William Styron's book, The Confessions of Nat Turner, held between James Baldwin and his friends Ossie Davis and William Styron.

    http://www.bbrarebooks.com/pages/books/WS006b/william-styron/the-confessions-of-nat-turner
     
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    Here is an interesting short directed by Parker...



    On the backdrop of the hoodie movement that was trending after the Trayvon Martin case, it was a creative spin on policing prejudices and how it can come back to bite, HARD.
     
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    Yes, it exploits the emotional reactions in order to make viewers want to watch.
    But with any form of commerce, it must have a market in order to produce views and profit.



    When you see the trailer of him yelling with mouth wide open, this assists in the dramatic affect of those that might feel the same way, and want to yell.

    It may be therapy for some, or just add to the emotional illness for others.

    Either way, drama is part of theatrics, and without it... the happy and the sad, nobody would care to watch.
    It would just be a documentary, which I would prefer more.

    Consider Morgan Freeman doing the narrative of a Nat Turner documentary, versus another Django Unchained.

    And to provide more mixed emotions, chew on this...



    Not suggesting we know what really happened when he and his room mate were with the woman, but here are a few articles and clips for context.

    Penn State Wrestlers Charged With Rape
    October 22, 1999

    Nathaniel Parker, 20, and Jean Celestin, 20, were arraigned on charges of rape, involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, sexual assault and indecent assault. Each was released on $25,000 bail pending a preliminary hearing Oct. 27.​

    Read more
    http://www.nytimes.com/1999/10/22/s...s-penn-state-wrestlers-charged-with-rape.html


    Penn State will let rapist graduate Jean Celestin was convicted of assaulting a female student. He will get a diploma pending an inquiry.
    November 29, 2001

    A Pennsylvania State University student convicted last month of sexually assaulting a female student is scheduled to receive his diploma Dec. 15, after a judge tailored his sentence to allow him to attend graduation ceremonies.

    A victims' rights group urged university president Graham Spanier this week to bar Jean Celestin from the ceremonies, saying his graduation would be "an absolute indignity" to the female student.​

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    http://articles.philly.com/2001-11-29/news/25322001_1_graduation-ceremonies-diploma-bill-mahon


    The co-writer of this movie, Jean Celestin, his long time friend, the one that was found guilty of the sexual assault.

    This statement says alot that many have overlooked...

    Nate claims this was all consensual. Were they taking turns?



    Read this from the article above...



    Ignore the Nate Parker rape accusation, pay attention to the room mate's role in this.

    Did they take advantage of an intoxicated woman?

    https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/accuserexcerpt-wm.pdf

    https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/parker-statement-wm.pdf

    Menage Toi?
    Upset about not using a condom?

    After reading through these, it seems that Nate and Jean could just come out and claim these allegations of rape were slanderous. Or maybe the woman was mentally unstable, and they did not feel the need to seem insensitive.

    http://www.ebony.com/entertainment-culture/nate-parker-statement#axzz4IXhZkt1x

    A lot of coded language in that, sounded like a politician.

    Nate has moved on, and has four children with his wife...

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    But presumably, this is not the kind of drama he was expecting.

    Still, would rather view a documentary theatrical version, rather than a scripted one with interpersonal actors/actresses. Weakens it a bit, but just like P.E., without a Flava Flav, would it be marketable?

    Maybe not to the masses, but that is what's wrong with this social experiment called capitalism, it rarely markets to a high beacon, rather to the common elements.

    Can we rise up, while looking down?
     
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