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  1. Eno Otu

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    Interesting question...

    "Someone" asked this same thing before, on a few occasions:


    What do you think of Christianity's explanation of race?



    Christians: What are your views on "the Hamitic Curse?" Does it really refer to all Africans?

    God Hates Black People


    What's the real story on Mormon beliefs and race?
    http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/whats-the-real-story-on-mormon-beliefs-and-race
    http://www.christiandefense.org/mor_black.htm

    The justifications for this restriction echoed the widespread ideas about racial inferiority that had been used to argue for the legalization of black “servitude” in the Territory of Utah. According to one view, which had been promulgated in the United States from at least the 1730s, blacks descended from the same lineage as the biblical Cain, who slew his brother Abel.Those who accepted this view believed that God’s “curse” on Cain was the mark of a dark skin. Black servitude was sometimes viewed as a second curse placed upon Noah’s grandson Canaan as a result of Ham’s indiscretion toward his father. Although slavery was not a significant factor in Utah’s economy and was soon abolished, the restriction on priesthood ordinations remained.

    Some people listen to "White Mormon" preachers


    Some people listen to "White Christian" preachers



    Some people listen to "Black'ish-White Christian" preachers


    Would one agree with this sentiment below?
    And if so, why not?

    Peace,
    Bro. UBNaturally
     
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    1. Ham was not cursed.
    2.Canaan was cursed by Noah.
    3. A servant is not a slave or in bondage.
    4. Noah was probable still inebriated.

    So No the bible does not support the idea that blacks/Africans should be the slaves to anyone or other race
     
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    These same "Hamitic Curse" topics seems to creep back up, wonder why?

    And agreed, it was "Canaan" that was "cursed" to serve under his uncle(s)
     
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    Slaves as were the Israelites...God's chosen people, who He punished with cruel slavery for their wickedness???

    Like all GOOD fathers, God punishes His children for their disobedience.

    Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

    6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

    7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

    8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

    9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

    10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.

    11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are excerised thereby.

    As the commandment of God states:

    Exodus 21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

    Which is exactly what happened to our ancestors during the African Slave Trade!

    No way does God condone that!

    Are blacks the rightful slaves of others according to the Bible?

    I'd have to say no, but many blacks are indeed among the children of God.
     
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    Ok tell me what happened in the tent what did Ham do?

    You should read bro Clyde Cogers Jr's book Does Color Matter only when misrepresented.
     
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    Open your bible and go back to Leviticus and find out what uncover nakedness means and come back.
    The first thing about the bible is if you don't really understand it you will come up with some crazy stuff. Understanding is fundamental all across life.
    It is best to start with Genesis. Get a true understanding then move on. If you don't understand Genesis then everything else will be messed up.
     
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    Hope this doesn't evolve into what happened in the tent "sounded kind of rapey".

    But like shaka commented "uncover nakedness" is poetic, and to disregard the poetic nature of writings based on other people and writings (they didn't like poets), is going to be a struggle for comprehension.
     
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    Lev 20:11
    And the man that lieth with his father's wife hath uncovered his father's nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.


    Nip this in the bud, before it goes off into some other direction...

    Ham had incest relations with the wife of Noah, (presumably his own mother) while Noah was inebriated.
    Take it from there
     
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