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  1. Eno Otu

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    How did you get rape out of that? SMH
     
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    Presuming poetry isn't meant for every one
     
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    You do realize there are other religions that are more wide spread and with greater numbers than those that offer the Bible as their central text?

    All writings are usually, if not always, relative to the reader for it to be accepted or understood.

    Will give you one to better associate with an innuendo of "rape" than this one, being that it is pulled from a book based on acclamations and praises (chants) that may have been used during convocations.

    Gen 19:8

    Now one has ones' "rape" scripture.

    Proverbs, Song of Songs (Song of Solomon), Psalms... these are written in poetic verse

    Just so happens, the selected writing one chose came from a book written in poetic verse, which somehow gave one an impression of being "rapey".
     
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    Questionable in what way?
    Was giving one a better example of an innuendo of "rape", than the one that was for some reason shared.

    There are conflicting stories and writings that would offer theories that King James VI/II was not necessarily "white".

    Explain what "in the hands of Whites" means.

    The use of creative writing to convey something in a form to produce a new thought.
    High usage of metaphoric and allegoric word associations

    Which is why there was this comment earlier:
    • "All writings are usually, if not always, relative to the reader for it to be accepted or understood."

    Meaning if a person cannot or does not relate to the content of the writings, they will tend to adopt other interests from other writings. Simple deduction.


    But as for the "it's "in poetic verse" says who?" question...

    Psalm 2:12
    Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.​

    Did not one get the idea of "rape" from this particular writing?
    Goes back to the question shaka64 asked...

    This is what one saw when they read it...

    "Lol...it's just, "kiss" the son or you will suffer...I was taking that as express love for the son or you will suffer. Something about it was just akin to rape to me; what if you don't want to "kiss" the son? You will be punished? It just doesn't sound right to me."


    One metaphorically associated "rape" with a song in Psalms, hence poetic verse

    I could only imagine if someone in this world were to educate others by associating "rape" to this, while not understanding by doing so they adopted a poetic mind to translate the writing.


    I'ma use self control instead of birth control
    Cause 315 dollars ain't worth your soul

    Ode to Hip Hop, Poetry


    All poetry isn't meant for every one... to understand it.
     
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    What is ones' definition of poetry?
    Better yet, explain if poetry exists, and if so... how does one recognize it?

    Without using the "world given" definitions
     
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    Then how do you get "Rape" from that writing?
     
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    One never did respond to the question, but answered another.

    Asked for ones' definition... not that which one considers the "world" definition.
    Ones' own... but seeing that Islam is against the poets, (and one is not Muslim) then one is also against the poetry (though one is not Muslim).

    Muhammad’s Love-Hate relationship with Poets
    http://answering-islam.org/Muhammad/Inconsistent/poetry.html

    Not sure how this entered into the discussion though

    And by the way... did one just use writings from one "book" to judge another "book"?
    How does this work?

    I'm NOT a Muslim but I do believe that Muhammad is a Prophet

    This comment is even more interesting, in relation to the others.
    Does one consider "Musa" to be a prophet?
     
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    Offer another "some-body" other than oneself that shares this same thinking that Psalms 2:12 sounds like "rape".




    What's your angle?

    "Lol actually brother, the Qur'an (and I'm NOT a Muslim but I do believe that Muhammad is a Prophet) says that it is disbelief in the Most High to follow poets"

    One brought this up, but doesn't desire to look at the linked text that relates to the claim?
    Which is what I did... unnecessarily since it wasn't even my claim.

    • Shall I tell you, O people, on whom the shaitans descend? They descend on every slandering sinner. Those who listen to hearsay - and most of them are liars - and those poets who are followed by those who go astray. S. 26:221-224 F. Malik

    Since this was ones' claim, support it with some form of reference.
    Presuming one understands and comprehends the Qur'an more than the other writings.

    But again, this was not about the Qur'an and Muhammad, this was about one passage from a book of the Psalms that one saw "rape" in.

    Here is the NIV interpretation, which I don't care for but it helps those that don't understand poetry.

    Psa 2:12
    Kiss his son, or he will be angry and your way will lead to your destruction, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. Blessed are all who take refuge in him.​

    Again, if one gets "rape" out of this, then it is what it is.
    Who is raping who here?
     
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    Who is "raping" who here?

    Not sure what's hard to follow, being that this was in the OP, and never really expounded on further.
    Odd interpretation of rape, and how one sees it... but it is what it is.
     
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