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  1. Eno Otu

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    from what perspective are you coming from?

    First, I haven't watched the show...nor heard the commercials.

    if you attack the show from man's perspective--traditional values--you could defend any conclusion you reach: i.e. there are groups continuously trying to get the bible banned from libraries across the country...as pornography, and shouldn't be viewed, or read, by children. from that perspective, if you've decided that Christianity is sexist, you could defend that point based on the writings in the bible...and how you interpret them.

    if you view the show from the Creator's perspective--spiritual values--you could recognize that God put in place a system of order, in which everything, and everyone, has its place...and its purpose. "...Man is the head of the house...just as Jesus is head of the Church..." is an extension of that system. In accepting God, you accept that system. In denouncing God, you reject that system. it's called faith...in believing that God knows all...and put that system in place for the benefit of ALL His people.

    i'm not here to debate the right or wrong of it; your belief system is your own and i'm not trying to convert you to mine. i'm only saying that, if God is our Creator--as i believe--and He outlined a system for us to follow--as i believe--our faith will urge us to follow his dictates. is that sexist?

    if you build (create) a computer, and write a programming system on which it operates, is that system sexist because you created the male character, in one of your programs, as the dominant character, versus the female character? if someone accused you of being sexist, would you change the whole program to satisfy them...when you were satisfied with your accomplishment before they criticized your work? at what point would you say, "These are the laws that define my creation." and...if they don't like it, they should create their own.

    Satan came into existence because he placed himself in opposition to God's creation. Should God have bowed to Satan's will?

    God laid out the game plan for His creation. Do you, or do you not, agree that He had the RIGHT to do that...with His creation?
     
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    The "young Christian sis" was probably quoting a "churchism", based on by-laws.
    She might have meant to use "the man is the head of the woman", but she cut out something pretty significant... based on the religious theosophy and writings.

    the man is the head of the woman --- sexism?

    The writings of Timothy espouse some of these sentiments though

    Of course both statements seem to have been taken out of context from what the discussion may have been about, so to offer this as a sample, when it is based on a sample, is highly selective and not qualified for use unless more content can be provided.

    Patriarchal maybe... sexist, not sure... refer to the last response above

    Define "sexist" and "sexism"
     
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    One got all that from watching this clip?
     
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    Share what one saw on the show, when one caught some of it.
    This, so that one can explain the context of the excerpts represented in the clip.
     
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    I basically asked was the clip the main source of the basis for the question.
    One responded, no... the show presents the same content.

    "No, Sir...I didn't watching the clip. I was speaking from what I remembered about what I saw on the show when I caught some of it."

    If one doesn't remember now it's ok, because when I asked if this clip was the main reference, one responded with the above comment.

    Then one of the arguing pastors said in a commercial for the show, "women have a 'place' in my church."

    Posted the clip with both of the presented statements from the "young Christian sis" and "pastor", as they are shown in the commercial to drum up a viewing audience (sensationalism).

    One suggested this wasn't, being that one had watched the show.

    What else in the show is it that one claims to have seen that presented this context?
    Also, explain the context of these two statements from both the sis and the pastor.

    • Context = What they were discussing when the comments were made

    Again, if one does not remember what one saw during the show, I understand.
    Just looking for context and fair weighting.

    Hard to do from two comments from random people on a reality TV show on the Oxygen Network
     
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    So no context to either of the comments they made?
    Ok... will accept that

    Just thought there would be more conversation around those comments, rather than it just being random statements.

    I don't watch the show, so asking someone that did
     
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