Black Spirituality Religion : AUSAR AUSET SOCIETY - WHAT DOES IT DO THAT CHRISTIANITY OR ISLAM DOES NOT???

Isaiah said:
... I need y'all to show me where he ATR's have built something substantive for the benefit of the community
in philly the AAS has a block on germantown ave where there is a book store and some healthy restaurants and a meeting place. they have a school.
there is a clothing store and they are developing a water company to sell pure water to the people.
there are also some rental properties.

all this gives employment to the people and healthy products to the community.
is this what you are asking about?
 
Hetepu,

I think that it's important to recognize that we are trying to tame a *very* old religious system according to the condition of Black people in America, which is anything but natural.

If we understand that the ancient Kamau were not all "ascended masters" but that they recognized a hierarchy wherein existed a mass of people whose spiritual unpreparedness would have made them as susceptible to the cultural programming of a wicked society (such as we find in the West) as with the stable and holistic customs and folk-ways of the shepsu, then we can approach the conversation of the lack of general support for the Ausar Auset Society in our community from a more enlightened perspective.

Hetepu.
 
jamesfrmphilly said:
in philly the AAS has a block on germantown ave where there is a book store and some healthy restaurants and a meeting place. they have a school.
there is a clothing store and they are developing a water company to sell pure water to the people.
there are also some rental properties.

all this gives employment to the people and healthy products to the community.
is this what you are asking about?


Brother James, that is precisely what I was talking about... Thank you for providing the information on their good works...

Brother Sam, Religion is a way of life, not just about spiritual matters... One does not get spiritual at an "appropriate" time, and then the rest of the time, they are the worst sort of human being... Isn't that our problem with Christianity and Islam??? Billie Holday said, she go to church on Sunday, and cabaret all day monday... There's no separation between Church and state if one is for real about their religion...

Broher Sam, you have to do more research than what you gave me... For example, you say that the Roman Catholic Churches make up large percentages of religious adherents in Latin American, but you do not allow for the fact that the ATR's in ALL of these countries were syncretized so long ago, that they are near indistinguishable... Every Orisha in Cuba and Brazil has a catholic saint, becaues the Africans in Latin, South, and Central America had to disguise the religion they were practicing... Go to these countires, and you will find an Orisha altar/Shrine in every home - including the homes of so-called White folks in these countries... Just as the music of Africa is so prevalent in these societies, so is the very religion out which the music comes... Remember, my beautiful brother, Latin American nations have been engaged in "Emblanquemiento", or the "whitening" of things African and indigenous for forever... It is, therefore, very misleading to say that Christianity runs these countries... I will present where I found tha Candomble and Vodun are the national religions of Brazil and Ayti... BTW, KREYOL is the national language of Haiti, as well... Be back with that info
soon...


Peace!
Isaiah
 
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ON THE SYNCRETISM OF AFRICAN RELIGIONS IN CUBA

WORSHIP OF AFRICAN ORIGIN

Differently known as worships of African origin or Afro Cuban religions mainly show up in Cuba, Santeria o Regla de Ocha or Yoruba religion , Regla Conga o Palo Monte , Regla Arara and the secret society of Abakua.

From Yoruba, an original ethnic of Nigeria , Santeria o Regla de Ocha was formed , characterized by the worship to orishas ( saints). In their very origins they idealized the forces of nature, such as the creation of rivers, or thunder anger or wind just to quote two examples, which got to identify with deities that were warriors or healed illnesses and they were represented as humanized deities.

As African people were getting acquainted with Catholic churches, slaves found resemblance with their orishas, but they were forced to disguise them in order to pay tribute to their gods.

This caused syncretism with the Catholic religion that can be appreciated in each orisha –catholic saint. Such identity started to be commonly called “ the saint” so the worship is known as Santeria and its practitioners “santeros or santeras”

The highest hierarchy is ruled by Babalaos (priests) besides existing other active believers as the babalochas, iyalochas and orihates. Specialists consider the worship of African origin more complex that the one existing in the country and which is kept in a bigger number of original elements.

The Yorubas had the concept of a creator, which eased the way to compare it with the God of Catholics, this god is usually called Olofi.

From Congo to Zaire and Angola, slaves were brought from population known as Bantu, language, whose beliefs gave origin to Regla Conga or Palo Monte, inspired in the forces of nature and that states how the super natural lies on nature in the wilds. It is the religion of the so called paleros and uses Catholic altars and rituals such as baptism , blessed water and masses. At the same time it is full of magic.

From these beliefs we can find different branches in the country, such as : Mayombe, Briyumba and Kimbisa.

The so called Regla Arara, that in the Nineteenth Century had a great force in Cuba, and that goes back to the Dahomey region, present republic of Benin, is still remaining in the Western region of the island.

One of the gods of Arara origin most beloved is Babalu Aye , also recognized as Yoruba and also honored by this worship’s followers. It is a syncretic orisha with San Lazaro , the man with ulcers in the skin and that suffered leprous , he used two crutches and two dogs, in a narration of the parabola of the Saint Lucas Evangelic, named “The Rich Epulon


MORE ON SYNCRETISM OF AFRICAN CUBAN RELIGION, AS WELL AS IT BEING...

Lucumi:The Yoruba in Cuba

Cuba, in particular, still has a phenomenal amount of sacred Yoruba music and dance. In the time of slavery, owners purposely broke up the families of slaves and mixed together people from the different African ethnic groups as a way of maintaining control. However, in early 18th century Cuba the Spanish Catholic Church created mutual aid societies, called cabildos, as a medium of entertainment and reconstruction of many aspects of their ethnic heritage. There came to be Yoruba cabildos, Congo (Bantu) cabildos and Arara (Fon) cabildos in Cuba.

Yoruba religious ceremonies were practiced and preserved in the cabildos of Cuba as the slaves seemingly synchronized their masters' pantheon of Catholic saints with their own pantheon of orisha. Thus, the orisha covertly lived on in Cuba hiding behind a facade of Catholicism. In truth, these traditions did not exactly synchronize with Catholicism, but rather Catholicism was used as a camouflage behind which Yoruba religious practices took root and flourished. While the white slave owners observed the Africans celebrating a saint on his/her particular day, they were usually unaware that it was actually the orisha who was being worshiped.

Today, the terms saint and orisha are used interchangeably in Cuba. The correlation of the Yoruba orisha with the Catholic saints is part of the island's common culture. For example, Santa Barbara is understood to be the Yoruba orisha Changó, the god of thunder. San Lázaro is synonymous with Babalú Ayé, the orisha of infectious diseases. Consequently, the Yoruba religion in Cuba is often referred to as Santería, or the cult of the saints.

Another common name for this religion is Lucumi, a Yoruba word meaning friends. Lucumi is also the name given to descendants of Yoruba slaves in Cuba, as well as their music, dance and their Cubanized dialect of the Yoruba language.

Yoruban and Christian rites are easily mixed together by Cubans. After all, the genetic and cultural mixing of African and European ethnic groups has been occurring there for centuries. However, little European influence can be found in the dance and music of the Lucumi ceremonies. Also, the Nigerian systems of divination, such as Ifá, remain intact in Cuba.


Wherever African Latin Americans are in this hemisphere, you will find it's all the same, with the African culture predominating and being DENIED as the the cultural matrix of that country... That is why you cannot present the CIA factbook as FACTS... The so-called catholic(White) Latin Americans do not like their nations being seen as culturally African by outsiders... The Merengue and the Tango are all of African origin, and were derived from African traditional religious steps... The same with the Samba, which IS Brazil's national music... I will present some stuff on Brazil next...


Peace!
Isaiah
 
MississippiRed said:
But couldn't simple introspection give you knowledge of self......and what does overstand mean and dun'nt a lot of religions, meditation thangs and other stuff make folk more comfortable in their environment and serene....I'm not getting into the sexy stuff James I know the ladies here luv u from can to can't ..........
and what does overstand mean....???

I think any religion or society or whatever is all the same folks put down Christianity but it does the same as Islam, and ATRs and whatever else folk come with.....

Everybody talks bout what they KNOW...don't know nutin.......they choose to believe and have faith......Knowing is this.......I know my right foot hurt when I wear my Kenneth cole laceups.......I know my youngest son is sneaky as hell just like his Daddy, I know my gyp whisky is a cannibal.....I know I love Powers & Son Irish Whisky..........I know one day I'm gon die what I don't know is anything after that..................folk say this and that but to me all them religious systems are the same.......some just put in more work in the community than others.......just make yo choice believe what you will and go with it......cuz to me regardless of what folk say we won't KNOW nutin til we on the other side of the road...

Where I'm from though Isaiah ....the church (Christian of course) works hard to uplift the Black community and the hood....I can't speak for nobody else but in my part of the country ain't no Muslims or ATRs and if it is they ain't doing nothing in the communities where we push that drug and shoot like it's a hobby....they probably do more in the cities I don't know jes speakin on what I know.......even the rootworkers don't do nothin for them young boys and gals out there struglin.........anyway Isaiah my folk as always you come with the hard questions bruh.....you still my hero Brother........


MississippiRed
I like old schools, dogs, whisky, strip clubs, gettin BUCK and meetin young tender fine ones...oh I also like to fight whenever I can.....
did I say I like strip jurnts and young fine soft ones......oh and guns and knives......and huntin and fishin.......and fogdighting...... yuh...
yessuh.....yall hab a goodun yahurd.....

Actually this reply was meant to as response to Ike, not you Sip. Sorry about that, I had to go back and edit it.

Long answer short,

the best way to anwer your question would be for you have experienced what it is to have been initiated in to an ATR.

Additionally, as brotha Sam alluded to, most African Americans do NOT support enterprises owned and operated by members of ATR's. Couple this with the fact there simply aren't as many practioners in comparison to Christianity and Islam to support our businesses.

However, there is one very important point that is being overlooked. Initiates and Priest follow the path that is laid out before them by the creator.

If they learn thru divination that they should in fact go into selling hand bags at the Fulton mall in Brooklyn, then you can best believe that's what they'll be doing, conversely if they came here to teach some Africans how heal thru herbs, roots and the elements, then this is what they are supposed to do.
 

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