Black People : ATTACKING THE BLACK EDUCATED AND MIDDLE-CLASS: HOW DOES THAT ELEVATE THE BLACK WORLD?

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  1. FLATFOOTFLOOGIE

    FLATFOOTFLOOGIE Banned MEMBER

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    Since my arrival at this site, I've seen a number of posts that seem to promote a hatred of the Black Middle-Class, the well-educated, and the strivers in our community. While I have my own personal criticisms of our "elite", I still recognize them as our "elite." In spite of the backwardness of some of them, with their silly effrontery, and waste of their resources on impressing no one in particular, I don't believe that attacking and "wetting" them up with criticism is the way to rectify their behavior.

    First of all, I don't believe it is intelligent to put all of the Black Middle and Educated class in the same bag. They are no more monolithic than the Black Poor, many of whom have middle class aspirations themselves, and have the EDUCATION to prove it. It is like we Blacks don't understand that many of us have attained high levels of education in a white supremacist society that is incredibly threatened by conscious and educated Black folk. So our first error is in associating the educated exclusively with the middle class.. We have many Black folk who are extraordinarily smart and intelligent and educated, and yet are POOR. We have Middle Class Blacks who got their status by hustling and criminal endeavors. We must THINK about this, as Dusty Elbow said on another thread, which means that these labels can be quite artificial.

    The best way to hip and enlighten this class/cadre of people we are talking about is through our own behavior. Many of them are so into "impressing no one in particular" that any behavior which they feel meets with the approval of the larger community, is a behavior they are sure to latch unto. Attacking them only leads to them saying you are envious and jealous of their success, and too lazy to achieve your own in this society and this life. To some extent, they are right on, because if all you do is talk smack, and do absolutely nothing, your criticism sounds more like a cry to be saved from drowing, than honest evaluation. However, if one can SEE your light shining, they cannot create diversionary arguments against the substance of your truths. Frankly, I believe the Black and Educated class is our only hope, though without an enlightened directional power for all the resources they possess, they are no more or less helpful to the rise of Black people, than the indigent and uneducated.
    Please NOTE, I am talking about the EDUCATED VS. THE IGNORANT when I talk about education and class. Not the Moneyed and the Non-Moneyed. Class is a very artificial label in the Black Community, believe that.

    Flatfootfloogie with the floy floy!
     
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    how do you define that?
     
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    It dosen't! The ignorant poor black people who waste their time criticizing achieving black people are jealous because many of them have made bad decisions with their lives and screwed it up, so they want to make enemies out of all the educated black people. They call them "sell-outs" and "tokens" to reduce their accomplishments so they could feel better about themselves because they are too lazy to get off of their @SSes and make a better life for themselves. IMO the educated black peopleand "aware" black people and their children are the ones that will make the race progress, not some miserable hustling ghetto loser that spends most of his or her life in prison or some unwed birthing machine raising children with no morals or guidance. Those black people aren't even good for themselves. All they take all of the ignorant crap of their useless lives and try to make it quality or justified, like hustling, being a thug, being a thug misses, slangin rocks, and worst of all being in prison. They are pathetic people not worthy of our time or effort, unfortunately we may never come to realize the truth about these people until they finally bring the rest of us down with them.
    We're all in this together?
    Gimme a break!

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    On a personal level, I define education as informal and formal study, but also as one's life experiences. My mother and father were not formally educated, but they were well-read and articulate people who could run their own businesses, and leave other's alone. I have uncles and cousins, who own body shops and restaurants, and were poorly educated(formally speaking), yet know how to run a successful economic enterprise. They are middle-class, and live in nice homes, and aren't even politically astute enough to even think about undermining poor folks in another community.

    That is the point of my post. Stop tearing the flesh of other Black folks, and make a deeper analysis of all the things we cannot see on the surface. We wont accept that ever poor Black person living in the Ghetto is preventing the rise of Black people. We cannot, then, say it must be the Black Middle-Class holding us back.
     
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    Divide and conquer at its best in terms of how the "classes" in our world community have "turned on each other" within a context that we ourselves did not and have not created.

    Anyway, it is really a matter of what our people in the "higher classes" do for their own in terms of implementing possible solutions.That is what I get from it,we may have lost ourselves in this world inside of social structres not made by us so we just react without examining what exactly is going on and the exonomical divisions as well as how to close them.

    Some of our own who are not "aware" of the current world powers do act condescending to some of us who do not think like them,some of them do pride themselves on what info they recieve from other people and not from themselves or their own people.All to often these people are the "middle class" or a bit above and below that title and that is why they are criticized. That reason also being why you never hear people like John Henrik Clarke ("middle class" for his time),Kwame Ture,Yosef Ben-Johachanan (probably mispelled), certain members of the AARP,and others from a "middle class" background because they never forgot about their own people and the dedicated their lives to assisting and organizing their own people in one way or another......
    Today it seems as if the "middle class" criticize the "lower classes" of our people just for the sake of doing so and calling them lazy, I could be wrong but that is how it seems to me.....


    It is divide and conquer,we have to realize that in this time in this world we are operating under an entire system that was not designed for our true advancement, the "class heirarchy" that we sometimes see each other through is not our own vision but the vision of someone elses. If we drop their vision and use our own than we can realize that nothing really seperates us when the "enemy" comes after us using full force.
     
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    Brother I-Khan, good analysis, but I must make at least two points.

    One, classes - or tribes, if you will - have always fought against one another. They need not have any artificial stimulants, or outsiders, provoking them to conflict. Conflict between classes and tribes of people is human nature. Families against families, and sister against brother, and mother against father, is almost built into our genetic coding. Conquistadores and oppressors merely USE our human nature against us by dramatizing our differences.

    Point two. Each and every last scholar whose books we read, and whose research we use to substantiate our knowldege and understanding, is probably middle and upper income. University professors are paid good money, and let's not misunderstand that. Michael Eric Dyson and Ivan Van Sertima, are widely-published authors, and true to their Blackness. They are also very middle-class. This is the point I am making, that we are putting these men in a basket with the Untutored Mob of ignorant negroes because the middle class is as easy a target as the Poor and Working Class. That's wroing, and we should not do that.

    Point three is, that in light of the fact that we have the understanding that we claim we do, we should not continue perpetuating what we know to be WRONG like ski gloves at Venice Beach. Haranguing the Black Middle Class as a group is stupid like haranguing the Poor and Working Class. Haranguing the ignorant and the untutored is another story, be they middle class or working class and poor. That is our issue, the lack of an enlightened education among ALL our people, not their class.
     
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    Very true, but the differences are captitalized on by the oppressors so they seem to be more than they really are.

    True again,but attacking the "middle class" and "upper income" is a fallacy. I have heard some young bruthas like myself mention that they (professors that want to help their people) should be more "hands on" with their approach. (ie stop teaching in the universities and start teaching in the "lower class" districts)

    Either way their work is appreciated but not everyone has access to their works and such so some people miss out on the data presented to truly be educated.


    It is our job to truly educate our people(look in the pan-afrikan forum for the afrikan centered school in missouri) and nobody elses and we should expect nobody elses abd to recognize that we need to stop these divisions by supreficial means and unrealistic ones.

    just my .02 cent
     
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    i don't think your language and therefore your concepts are helpful.
     
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    FLATFOOTFLOOGIE Banned MEMBER

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    Is 'Negroes" a banned term? Other than that, I don't see what you are talking about. "untutored", James, simple means the unlearned, the untaught, or the opposite of tutored, or taught.

    "Mob" can be replaced by masses, if you like that concession, but to say that a concept is unhelpful because of one phrase you disagree with is a questionable concept in and of itself. Somehow I feel something else - as in a pretext to question my credibility - is behind your nitpicking, sir.
     
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    so you know, here's my deal.
    i react when anyone issues a blanket condemnation of black people.
    i would like to think that on a black site that would be a good thing.
    other than that i got no agenda.

    i don't care where you're from, it's where you're at that counts.

    so, anybody takes a swing at my people, i react. dig?
     
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