Black Spirituality Religion : astrology is paganism too

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  1. Locust

    Locust Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    No disrespect to my bothers acooldre aquil and the rest but i would like to touch on this subject a little bit. why is it, that we cannot perceive God as the mighty creator of the universe, and simply just that. Astrologoy no doubt is a very fascinating science but cannot be superimposed with the divinity of God. God Himself said in Genesis he was proud with what he created and that's is why He rested on the 7th day. Take a good look around you, how long do you think it would have taken a mortal man to created the majesty and mystery of creation. The Eqptian mythology is not more than paganism which flourished in the Nile valley for centuries on end. Don't forget that Lucifers's angels are down here on earth doing their work to lie to us about the good word of God. The Bible is God's word given to us and will stand the test of time. The only difference is that i believe all the characters in the Old testament, with the exception of Moses, were Black folks.
    Remember when Moses went up on Sinai to receive the 10 commandments, when he descended, the folks were practicising Astrology through the worship of Baal, despite the commanding presence of the Lord through the pillar of smoke, and God's wrath was so great he killed the pagans for the idol worshiping.
    God's presence is eveywhere within the universe not just in the stars and it takes great wisdom and faith to comprehend this.
    Again, i dont mean to start a controversy.
    Peace love and Unity
     
  2. ifasehun

    ifasehun Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    i swear that if i hear one more black person quoting the white person's bible defiling the history and culture of their own ancestors i am going to die.

    how the heck you gonna end a post accusing Aqil of being a pagan with Peace love and unity? are you even familiar with the words? Or was that some last ditch effort to make it seem as if you were not starting "stuff" ?

    well, just start it. we are all grown. we can take it. what we cant take is the patronizing tone and the "white boy" rhetoric masquerading as fact.

    what do you know of the Nile Valley traditions? we have a BOARD member that is FROM EGYPT that practices those traditions that you believe were dead! now how insulting have you been to him? how insulting have you been to your Ancestors?

    You have never used astrology. if you had - and had done so properly you know several things:

    1. it doesnt replace God.
    2. it is a gift from God.
    3. it works.
    4. it complements, not replaces spirituality or religion.
    5. that you are just repeating something you heard. and exposing your own deep rooted fears.
    6. that you sound more like a white republican christian from Buloxi than like an african.


    please christians, stop bashing without experience. its getting very old - and its beyond foolish.

    now see how i said what i had to say and didnt worry about if i upset you, but i wasnt beligerant or PATRONIZING?
     
  3. Sekhemu

    Sekhemu Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    I concur with you Ifasehun 100% The advice Willie Lynch gave to massa works up to this very day, and quite effectively. It would interest those who believe astrology is paganism to read the book of revelation, where it describes all the precious stones of the gates of heaven.... directly corresponding the 12 houses in the zodiac and they're respective stones and gems. If astrology was paganism why is it used in the New Testament. Not to mention a whole lytanny of other passages I won't get into
     
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    ^5 ifasehun and Sekhemu...and thank you for your enlightening discourses...
     
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    Locust,
    you lost me (with the exception of God's Word being true).
    2 enlighten you, Moses was black and Egyptian and then....
    the star(s) guided the wise men to the birthplace of Christ and also throughout the Bible you will read where prophesy and wisdom are cosmologically relevant.
    But my biggest point would be that Moses was black and how was that an exception?
    You're right though, God is omnipotent and astrology (no matter how theoretical) is/will be used as signs of times present and future...

    Stay faithful. Get knowledge. Christ lives.
    peace.
     
  6. Locust

    Locust Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    not me

    i am not christian but traditional afrikan and that's is where i was born yall not in bondage looking for spirituality
    aight.
     
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    The Old and New Testament is a reflection of Astrology dude

    SOLAR CRUCIFIXION
    By Andre Austin

    The Bible calls God a sun in Psalm 84:11 & Malachi 4:2?. Jesus calls himself the Light of the world. Jesus said his only sign was that of Joanah, who was in a whales belly for three days. Now I believe this is an allusion to the Solar (sun) crucifixion.

    “For in an astronomical chart, the sun is apparently crucified upon the intersecting lines [cross] of the equator and the ecliptic at the moment of his descent into the lower hemisphere, the hemisphere of darkness and death; and it is so again at the moment of his resurrection into the hemishere of light and life; while the period of transit is three days…[Jesus in hades/dead for 3 days]. At the time when the myth of the death of the sun-god originated, the sun being in the consetellation Aries at the Spring Equinox, was identified with the Ram. That is the lamb which had been slain from the foundation of the world. The custom of dressing lamb in the shape of a cross is referable to the same myth”-Introduction to African civilization By John Jackson p.146

    Rev 11:8 has Jesus being spiritually crucified in Egypt. If this is true they were talking about Jesus as Osiris/Horus. If killed from foundation/pillar it was a pyramid that’s located at the center of the Earth which happens to be a pyramid in Egypt. Hell was thought to be underground at the center of earth. Egypt was given the name crocodile in Ezekiel 29:1-4. Plutarch in his book Isis and Osiris equates 666 with the crocodile

    The term equinox means balance/equal day and night of 12 hours each. It’s a day of balance/justice/judgment. Jesus said his kingdom/judgement would come when the sun moon gave its signs. I believe that comes at an eclipse/equinox. Proverbs 4:18 says “But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day”. A perfect day in my opinion is when we have balance/exact equal hours of day and night.

    Psalm 87:1 states the foundation is in the Holy mountains.
    Psalm 114:4 “The mountains skipped like rams, and the little hills like lambs”. We know Jesus is slain as a lamb and the anti Christ (his lookalike) is a ram with horns.

    Martin Bernal states “Thus it would seem legitimate to derive the Greek martyr (witness from the Egyptian witness, or pyramid”-Black Athena Volume 1 p.47 The pyramids were called mountains of sunrise and sunset being life and rebirth. Therefore we can see Jesus/Horus as symbolic of a pyramid being killed and resurrected. The Egyptians also fused horns/kings/mountains into one see Volume 2 of Black Athena p.164-165.


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  8. Locust

    Locust Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    in the beginning there was the WORD

    Jesus referal to Jomah being in the belly for 3 days has nothing to do with astrology, infact, it refers directly to African-American in USA who were enslaved in the 'belly of the beast' aka America. For Jonah sang 4 three days so shall African-americans sing towards the Lord in the final days. Astrology is cool but at the same time God is the Word and will be. If you want you comprehend the full majesty of God then seek for wisdom like Solomon did, and seek for the Holy Spirit which will guide you to HIM. Besides Eqypt, there are over 50 more African countires that people should research on that will show you the power of God who resided in Zion. For example did you know that the garden of eden is in present day Kenya? There has been a Swahili civilisation that dates back even before the Egyptian civilisation?
    Read about the ruins of Gedi or the artifacts found in Zimbabwe and you will be astonished. DONT BELIEVE IN EVERTYTHING YOU READ.
     
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    Casini, the French Astronomer, has demonstrated the fact that the date assigned for the birth of the Christ is an Astronomical epoch in which the middle conjunction of the moon with the sun happened on the 24th March, at half-past one o'clock in the morning, at the meridian of Jerusalem, the very day of the middle equinox. The following day (the 25th) was the day of the Incarnation, according to Augustine, but the date of the Birth, according to Clement Alexander. For two birth days are assigned to Jesus by the Christian Fathers, one at the Winter Solstice, the other at the Vernal Equinox. These, which cannot both be historical, are based on the two birthdays of the double Horus in Egypt. Plutarch tells us that Isis was delivered of Horus, the child, about the time of the winter Solstice, and that the festival of the second or adult Horus followed the Vernal Equinox. Hence, the Solstice and spring Equinox were both assigned to the one birth of Jesus by the Christolators; and again, that which is impossible as human history is the natural fact in relation to the two Horuses, the dual form of the Solar God in Egypt.
    And here, in passing, we may point out the astronomical nature of the Crucifixion. The Gospel according to John brings on a tradition so different from that of the Synoptics as to invalidate the human history of both. The Synoptics say that Jesus was crucified on the 15th of the month Nisan. John affirms that it was on the 14th of the month. This serious rift runs through the very foundation! As human history it cannot be explained. But there is an explanation possible, which, if accepted, proves the Mythos. Plutarch also tells us how the Mithraic Cult had been particularly established in Rome about the year 70 B.C. And Mithras was fabled
    CAVE OF LIGHT
    as having been born in a cave. Wherever Mithras was worshipped the cave was consecrated as his birthplace. The cave can be identified, and the birth of the Messiah in that cave, no matter under what name he was born, can be definitely dated. The "Cave of Mithras" was the birthplace of the Sun in the Winter Solstice, when this occurred on the 25th of December in the sign of the Sea-Goat, with the Vernal Equinox in the sign of the Ram. Now the Akkadian name of the tenth month, that of the Sea-Goat, which answers roughly to our December, the tenth by name, is Abba Uddu, that is, the "Cave of Light;" the cave of re-birth for the Sun in the lowest depth at the Solstice, figured as the Cave of Light. This cave was continued as the birthplace of the Christ. You will find it in all the Gospels of the Infancy, and Justin Martyr says, "Christ was born in the Stable, and afterwards took refuge in the Cave." He likewise vouches for the fact that Christ was born on the same day that the Sun was re-born in Stabulo Augiæ, or, in the Stable of Augias. Now the cleansing of this Stable was the sixth labour of Herakles, his first being in the sign of the Lion; and Justin was right; the Stable and Cave are both figured in the same Celestial Sign. But mark this! The Cave was the birthplace of the Solar Messiah from the year 2410 to the year 255 B.C.; at which latter date the Solstice passed out of the Sea-Goat into the sign of the Archer; and no Messiah, whether called Mithras, Adon, Tammuz, Horus or Christ, could have been born in the Cave of Abba Uddu or the Stable of Augias on the 25th of December after the year 255 B.C., therefore, Justin had nothing but the Mithraic tradition of the by-gone birthday to prove the birth of the Historical...


    So Jesus said there would be signs in the sun and moon about his kingdom.

    In Egypt the birday of Horus brings judgement/Kingdom.
     
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    early Church Father Tertullian (@ 160-220 C.E.), an "ex-Pagan" and Bishop of Carthage, ironically admits the true origins of the Christ story and of all other such godmen by stating in refutation of his critics, "You say we worship the sun; so do you."65 Interestingly, a previously strident believer and defender of the faith, Tertullian later renounced Christianity66.
    The "Son" of God is the "Sun" of God 67
    The reason why all these narratives are so similar, with a godman who is crucified and resurrected, who does miracles and has 12 disciples, is that these stories were based on the movements of the sun through the heavens, an astrotheological development that can be found throughout the planet because the sun and the 12 zodiac signs can be observed around the globe. In other words, Jesus Christ and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula (the "Mythos," as mentioned above) revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens.68
    For instance, many of the world's crucified godmen have their traditional birthday on December 25th ("Christmas"69). This is because the ancients recognized that (from an earthcentric perspective) the sun makes an annual descent southward until December 21st or 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops moving southerly for three days and then starts to move northward again. During this time, the ancients declared that "God's sun" had "died" for three days and was "born again" on December 25th. The ancients realized quite abundantly that they needed the sun to return every day and that they would be in big trouble if the sun continued to move southward and did not stop and reverse its direction. Thus, these many different cultures celebrated the "sun of God's" birthday on December 25th.70 The following are the characteristics of the "sun of God":
    · The sun "dies" for three days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops in its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.
    · In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin."
    · The sun is the "Light of the World."
    · The sun "cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him."
    · The sun rising in the morning is the "Savior of mankind."
    · The sun wears a corona, "crown of thorns" or halo.71
    · The sun "walks on water."
    · The sun's "followers," "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.
    · The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High/EL"; thus, "he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.
    · The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30°; hence, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.
    · The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified," which represents its passing through the equinoxes, the vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.72
    Contrary to popular belief, the ancients were not an ignorant and superstitious lot who actually believed their deities to be literal characters. Indeed, this slanderous propaganda has been part of the conspiracy to make the ancients appear as if they were truly the dark and dumb rabble that was in need of the "light of Jesus."73 The reality is that the ancients were no less advanced in their morals and spiritual practices, and in many cases were far more advanced, than the Christians in their own supposed morality and ideology, which, in its very attempt at historicity, is in actuality a degradation of the ancient Mythos. Indeed, unlike the "superior" Christians, the true intelligentsia amongst the ancients were well aware that their gods were astronomical and atmospheric in nature. Socrates, Plato and Aristotle74 surely knew that Zeus, the sky god father figure who migrated to Greece from India and/or Egypt, was never a real person, despite the fact that the Greeks have....
     
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