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mywordsfly

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The Irish had their Diaspora, too. Out of a population of app eight and a half million, in the relatively short space of 60 years over one and a half million starved to death and over five million fled to other countries, mostly America. That represents a decrease in population of 80% in two generations. I think it was worse than the African Diaspora.
I cannot convince you of the vastness of the African struggle, even as it pours into modern day slavery which is still very real to many brown communities worldwide.

You have your ancestors to remember and pay respects to, and I have mine. We will respect it and leave it at that, then, Craig.
 

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It is only pathetic you mention those war-torn children, because it was your ancestors that brought her's to their knees. The effects are what you raise your eyebrows in shock to now.​
I think it's called "selective memory." For instance, the English and the Irish whom they dogged out something fierce on that island. Once the po' and brutalized Irish came to America, what'd they do? Well, let's just say this: what the English did to the Irish in Great Britain, the Irish did to black slaves in America. The biggest, worst Irish son of a she-dog was President Andrew Jackson. "Old hickory dog" Andy was one of richest slavers in the south. He was the architect and political force behind the Native Americans' "Trail of Tears," of which, incidentally (and history NEVER tells us of THIS fact) almost 1/3 of those on the DEATH march were BLACK - either maroons (free born blacks living first in Spanish Florida, then in the Everglades with the Seminole indians) or escaped slaves!!! Andrew Jackson was the sworn, darn near apoplectic enemy of the Black Seminoles who gained their freedom 25 years before the rest of our forebearers on the battlefield, burning 21 of the richest sugar plantations in the world and causing the largest slave uprising in U.S. History (about 400 slaves revolted and burned those plantations) fighting Jackson's army in the 2nd Seminole war (known in military circles as "The Negro War"). Even after the U.S. government was forced to sue for peace - the only other war that the U.S. has EVER had to "sue" for peace was 200 years later in Viet Nam - Jackson kept up his campaign to re-enslave the escaped slaves and put into slavery for the FIRST time, the black maroons of the Black Seminole Indians.​
In fiction, well, one of the most popular books in American history is "Gone with the Wind," a novel about an IRISH slaver and his slutty daughter, Scarlett.​
In American fact and in American fiction, the Irish have proved they were as brutal and immoral toward our ancestors as their English conquerors and overlords in Ireland were toward them.​
 

mywordsfly

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I think it's called "selective memory." For instance, the English and the Irish whom they dogged out something fierce on that island. Once the po' and brutalized Irish came to America, what'd they do? Well, let's just say this: what the English did to the Irish in Great Britain, the Irish did to black slaves in America. The biggest, worst Irish son of a she-dog was President Andrew Jackson. "Old hickory dog" Andy was one of richest slavers in the south. He was the architect and political force behind the Native Americans' "Trail of Tears," of which, incidentally (and history NEVER tells us of THIS fact) almost 1/3 of those on the DEATH march were BLACK - either maroons (free born blacks living first in Spanish Florida, then in the Everglades with the Seminole indians) or escaped slaves!!! Andrew Jackson was the sworn, darn near apoplectic enemy of the Black Seminoles who gained their freedom 25 years before the rest of our forebearers on the battlefield, burning 21 of the richest sugar plantations in the world and causing the largest slave uprising in U.S. History (about 400 slaves revolted and burned those plantations) fighting Jackson's army in the 2nd Seminole war (known in military circles as "The Negro War"). Even after the U.S. government was forced to sue for peace - the only other war that the U.S. has EVER had to "sue" for peace was 200 years later in Viet Nam - Jackson kept up his campaign to re-enslave the escaped slaves and put into slavery for the FIRST time, the black maroons of the Black Seminole Indians.​
In fiction, well, one of the most popular books in American history is "Gone with the Wind," a novel about an IRISH slaver and his slutty daughter, Scarlett.​
In American fact and in American fiction, the Irish have proved they were as brutal and immoral toward our ancestors as their English conquerors and overlords in Ireland were toward them.​
Clearly he wasn't ready for this. I don't think he knows Irish history in full. He just claimed two posts back that the Irish Diaspora equates the African one, when there are so many more factors to each than simply the numbers who left home. We can't argue anymore until he does more research.
 

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Clearly he wasn't ready for this. I don't think he knows Irish history in full. He just claimed two posts back that the Irish Diaspora equates the African one, when there are so many more factors to each than simply the numbers who left home. We can't argue anymore until he does more research.
I think most whites are not aware of just how much we know about their history, some of us up to and including their "ethnic" histories. I could have as easily pointed to the "Orangeman Riots" in NYC where (NOT rich, slaver Irishmen like Andrew Jackson, but) "po' and brutalized" ordinary Irishmen FRESH OFF THE BOAT from being stomped in Ireland by the British, attacked and killed over 100 black New Yorkers. The potato famine was on and many of the Irish were reduced to eating "grass" - ate so much that travelers wondered at the "green" mouths of the populace they passed on the roads. These were brothers and sisters of the Irish immigrants to NYC in the 1860s. Oh yea! They were being oppressed something fierce in Ireland. But, for some, within DAYS of climbing out of poor man's steerage and off the boat, they were looking for black people in New York to murder.

New York City draft riots

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New York Draft Riots​
Rioters and Federal troops clash​
Date July 13, 1863 – July 16, 1863
Location New York City
Result Riots ultimately suppressed​
Casualties and losses​

120 killed[1]
2,000 wounded​


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Northern theater of the American Civil War
The New York City draft riots (July 13–16, 1863; known at the time as Draft Week[2]) were violent disturbances in New York City that were the culmination of working-class discontent with new laws passed by Congress that year to draft men to fight in the ongoing American Civil War. The riots remain the largest civil insurrection in American history outside of the Civil War itself.[3]

President Lincoln was forced to divert several regiments of militia and volunteer troops from following up after the Battle of Gettysburg to control the city. The rioters were overwhelmingly working-class men, primarily ethnic Irish, resenting particularly that wealthier men, who could afford to pay a $300 commutation fee to hire a substitute, were spared the draft.[4][5]

Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned into an ugly race riot, with the white rioters, chiefly Irish immigrants,[6] attacking blacks wherever they could be found. At least 100 black people were estimated to have been killed. The conditions in the city were such that Major General John E. Wool, commander of the Department of the East, stated on July 16, "Martial law ought to be proclaimed, but I have not a sufficient force to enforce it."[7] The military did not reach the city until after the first day of rioting, when mobs had already ransacked or destroyed numerous public buildings, two Protestant churches, the homes of various abolitionists or sympathisers, many black homes, and the Colored Orphan Asylum at 44th Street and Fifth Avenue, which was burned to the ground.[8

Accounts put the number of rioters, MOSTLY Irish, at upwards of 50,000. The number of blacks oppressing them and their brothers in Ireland? Zero.
 

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on a personal level.....how do you feel about mixed dating/marriage? have you ever dated a woman of a brown shade? what did you think? what did you find interesting? what did you not care for? just asking.

i have gone out with a wonderful guy who was the sweetest thing. met his parents......lovely people. one deal breaker he tends to use the word "color" to describe to people of "browns". it thru me at first but remember i have a friend whose mother that does the same thing. (we are the same family of brown....smiling.) just my experience.
 

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