Black Spirituality Religion : Ashra Kwesi

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  1. Fine1952

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    in all honesty I must retract any and all statements that I made in the past praising Dr. "Come Lately" Hagins....who is a fraud. Next time I will make sure I do a more thorough investigation before giving credit where credit is not due....! Dr. Hagins speaks thru the knowledge of Mr. Kwesi -- who was educated under Dr. Ben. Dr. Hagins does not hold water to Ashra Kwesi who has been in the business of KmT for over 30 years....!



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    peace sister Fine52

    - I've been trying to tell people this in a few different threads. Brother Kwesi is the one who 'raised' Hagins, only for Hagins to try & steal and 'step over' Bro. Kwesi. there is a video on youtube (i'll try to find it later) of the actual ceremony where Hagins and others are raised.

    Hagins is a two bit christian hustler, disguising himself as an egyptologist.


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    Why participate in this silly rift between those two men, who both seem to be in knowledge regardless of who raised who. Their public beef is inexcusable and people really shouldnt be feeding into it. They both seem to be good people trying to do the right thing for the people so whats with this nonsense ego tripping between the two?? Did they ever resolve it? I hope so, if not it just makes them both look like fools.
     
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    hagins asked for the black community to disregard kwesi and tune him out and basically tried to destroy he and his wife's livlihoods. i'm not promoting the rift, but basically i couldn't give a [email protected] about hagins if he gets down like that.

    hagins is the one who brought their beef out in the open because he says 'the people have right to know'. by disrespecting kwesi, he is also disrespecting dr. ben who raised kwesi and people are not supposed to speak their minds if they know the backround to the beef?

    i take it that u are a listener of hagins and don't want to see brothers beefin, but when u video tape me on my tours and lie to me about your purpose for it, then come back to the states and sell the tapes under my banner without my consent? come on now!

    this meanshe was playing kwesi the whole time he was being 'raised'.

    i'm not promoting the beef, as i've never started a thread on it, but if someone doesnstart a thread i will enter and post to try and give clarity on kwesi's position.
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    Brother Ashra Kwesi shared what he'd studied for 30 years w/Dr. "Come Lately" Hagins who disrespected him and then took full credit for his work w/o revealing his sources. (eg. I am an amateur -- but even I know to provide credits and footnotes for the hard work of others) The raising of Dr. "Come Lately" Ray Hagins (Sa Ra Ankhotep Keru Setep En Ra) to the degree of master teacher by Brother Ashra Kwesi (6:39/9:59) <----- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI-0FBRBY6g

     
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    This not a silly rift. My purpose was to enlighten likeminded folk, other than you -- that Dr. "Come Lately" Ray Hagins has been an impostor all the time. I once thought something of him but not any more.

    It is important that information about KmT (eg. Egypt) be accurate. And it is equally important that credit honorably acknowledge at all times.

    Dr. Ray "Come Lately" Hagins will not benefit from his betrayal. This is a grown folks conversation...so you might wanna go take a recess...


     
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    The reason being was to lift up himself, infometry.

    The secret is out...!

    I've listened to this fool talk about Ma'at and its principles in addition to his psycho biblical babble. My passion for KmT will not allow me to accept this type of behavior from this so-Called doctor of philsophy nor will I keep my mouth shut!

     
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    Go take a recess?? Is that your final answer???

    If this brother is so enlightened then why cant he forgive the brother who asked him for forgiveness and make peace?? Did not Haggins make an Open letter to Kwesi nearly a decade ago on Assata speaks? Or was it a fake? I think not. Has he gotten a response??
    This is the stuff that I dont understand. Both of them are wrong for disrespecting each other thats what im getting at. I dont know how Haggins is wrong in his teaching, Kemetology is not my area but thats beside the point. The point is Black men dont need to be hatin on each other period, especially not being in the spotlight as they are. Theyre in and supposedly teaching truth and justice. If you dont get that then honey maybe its you that needs a recess...
     
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    Ok I understand the beef and what ur saying. and sorry I didnt mean to quote you I meant to quote the thread starter.
     
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    Peace Family,

    Let Us not forget that We are Family and We must not allow this divisive feud between these two Elders cause further rift among Family.

    Arguing with each other plays into the hands of enemies and makes more difficult the Healing which needs to take place between Us.

    Hotep!
     
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