Black Spirituality Religion : as vs in - the Bible makess an unarguable distinction...

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    THE BIBLE-"AS" vs "IN". A distinct difference...




    "AS" vs "IN". A distinct difference...

    Since sharing some of what I have been taught, regarding the
    apearance of God, as a human, in the Bible, I have recv'd many e-
    mails. Some attempt to argue that God is a spirit only. Some admit
    that Genesis 18, refers to God as a man. While some do not actually
    state that Gen. 18 refers to God as a man. They do state that God can
    appear as a human. They base this belief on the supposed fact that
    God appeared as a cloud or the most used example, God appeared to
    Moses as a burning bush.


    I nodded in agreement when I read or heard these things. But, I had
    the feeling that something was not right.
    I awoke this morning, with
    a strong urge to research this. So, I got out my copy, of the Bible.
    Not suprisingly, my supicions were, indeed, correct. The Bible does
    not say that God appeared as a cloud or as a burning bush. This is a
    fallacy, we have been taught to believe.

    The Bible actually says the following...9: And the LORD said to Moses, "Lo, I am coming to you in a thick
    cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with you, and may also
    believe you for ever." Then Moses told the words of the people to the
    LORD.
    EXODUS 19 ( GOD APPEARS IN A THICK CLOUD, SO THE PEOPLE CAN HEAR HIM.
    HOW IS HE COMMUNICATING WITH MOSES? WHY MUST THE PEOPLE BE NEAR, TO
    HEAR GOD SPEAK WITH MOSES? DO SPIRITS HAVE THE ABILITY TO "SPEAK" AND
    BE "HEARD", WITHOUT A BASE?
    THESE QUESTIONS SHOULD BE ANSWERED.)

    2: And the angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire out
    of the midst of a bush; and he looked, and lo, the bush was burning,
    yet it was not consumed.
    EXODUS 3 ( It is interesting to note, the angel of the LORD, is said
    to have appeared, in the flame
    . But this is not what I wish to
    ultimately point out.)

    Now, is a good time to define some of the key words, so we can have a
    clear understanding, of what the Bible is actually saying, and not
    saying...






    As (Page: 87) ( NOT USED IN THESE VERSES )As (#), adv. &q conj. [OE. as, als, alse, also, al swa, AS. eal
    sw&qamacr;, lit. all so; hence, quite so, quite as: cf. G. als as,
    than, also so, then. See Also.]
    1. Denoting equality or likeness in kind, degree, or manner; like;
    similar to; in the same manner with or in which; in accordance with;
    in proportion to; to the extent or degree in which or to which;
    equally; no less than; as, ye shall be as gods, knowing good and
    evil; you will reap as you sow; do as you are bidden.

    In (Page: 740)
    In, prep. [AS. in; akin to D. &q G. in, Icel. &qimacr;, Sw. &q Dan.
    i, OIr. &q L. in, Gr. . . Cf. 1st In-, Inn.] The specific
    signification of in is situation or place with respect to
    surrounding, environment, encompassment, etc. It is used with verbs
    signifying being, resting, or moving within limits, or within
    circumstances or conditions of any kind conceived of as limiting,
    confining, or investing, either wholly or in part. In its different
    applications, it approaches some of the meanings of, and sometimes is
    interchangeable with, within, into, on, at, of, and among. It is
    used: --
    1. With reference to space or place; as, he lives in Boston; he
    traveled in Italy; castles in the air.
    The babe lying in a manger. Luke ii. 16.
    Thy sun sets weeping in the lowly west. Shak.
    Situated in the forty-first degree of latitude. Gibbon.
    Matter for censure in every page. Macaulay.

    Appear (Page: 71)
    Ap*pear" (#), v. i. [imp. &q p. p. Appeared (#); p. pr. &q vb. n.
    Appearing.] [OE. apperen, aperen, OF. aparoir, F. apparoir, fr. L.
    apparre to appear + parreto come forth, to be visible; prob. from the
    same root as parre to produce. Cf. Apparent, Parent, Peer, v. i.]
    1. To come or be in sight; to be in view; to become visible.
    And God . . . said, Let . . . the dry land appear. Gen. i. 9.

    SPIRIT ( NOT USED IN THESE VERSES )
    . Life, or living substance, considered independently of corporeal
    existence
    ; an intelligence conceived of apart from any physical
    organization or embodiment; vital essence, force, or energy, as
    distinct from matter. 3
    4. The intelligent, immaterial and immortal part of man; the soul, in
    distinction from the body in which it resides; the agent or subject
    of vital and spiritual functions, whether spiritual or material.
    There is a spirit in man; and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth
    them understanding. Job xxxii. 8.
    As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is
    dead also. James ii. 26.
    Spirit is a substance wherein thinking, knowing, doubting, and a
    power of moving, do subsist. Locke.
    5. Specifically, a disembodied soul; the human soul after it has left
    the body.
    Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was, and the spirit
    shall return unto God who gave it. Eccl. xii. 7.
    Ye gentle spirits far away, With whom we shared the cup of grace.
    Keble.
    6. Any supernatural being, good or bad; an apparition; a specter; a
    ghost; also, sometimes, a sprite,; a fairy; an elf.
    Whilst young, preserve his tender mind from all impressions of
    spirits and goblins in the dark. Locke.


    : And the LORD said to Moses, "Lo, I am coming to you in a thick
    cloud,

    God here states tht He is coming in a thick cloud of smoke, not as a
    thick cloud of smoke. According to the dictionarie's definition of
    the word "in", God must have a form.
    According to the dictionary
    definition of the word "spirit", it does not have the ability
    to "appear", without a base.



    2: And the angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire out
    of the midst of a bush;

    The previous is very clear, when one considers the meaning of the
    words.


    So, the question is not whether God "appeared" or not. The question
    is, in what "form", did He and His angel appear?

    Remember, they did not "appear" as these things, they appeared in
    them.

    COMMENTS WELCOME. Sol


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    ANY DISPUTERS?
     
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    by now, hopefully, we are aware, the God of the Old Testament Bible is NOT a spirit, only.

    CORRECT?
     
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    Well Solomon7, I have informed everyone on this forum in various threads and post that by "LEGAL DEFINITION" none of us are citizens...and that this is the reason that we as a people are 'GIVEN CIVIL RIGHTS WHICH HAVE TO BE RENEWED EVER SO MANY YEARS.' This would not have to be done if we were citizens of America. The laws of this country and International law back this up.

    Unfortunately our people are not ready to "actually hear, understand and accept this fact of their existence. You know, sometimes truth carries too much weight and responsibility with it. It really does...and many if not most, don't possess the strength or the will to bear this kind of burden in terms of having that illusion stripped from them. It's really that simple.

    In the Kemetic Initiations, Maat ask a question that boggles the mind; she says; "Now that you have seen truth, what will you do? Oh man, what will you do without your illusions? Where will you go and who will listen?"

    The truth of the matter is that in the realm of what we as humans call "time", there is an personal time, a universal time and a cosmic time. As such, there is an personal truth, a universal truth and a cosmic truth. Many of our people have not evolved in consciousness to understand the relationship of these three or the consciousness of these three.

    All we know or want to know in general is "our personal time or personal truth". Anything outside of that is perceived as a burden or weight of responsibility that is taking away or imposing on their "personal time and their personal truth".

    Truth has a problem with it. The more you learn, the more you understand in terms of; "EVERYTHING AIN'T FOR EVERYBODY". This is why Our ancestors had three stages of Initiation. They understood very well that truth comes in stages, and that it can "ONLY BE PRESENTED TO A MIND THAT HAS BEEN PREPARED FOR IT".

    This is the major problem with the internet and forums. Very often we can present information or lay information out there that many many minds are not prepared to receive...and in doing so, we have set the stage for conlict and disagreement and confusion and fear and insecurity and all else. I too have been guilty of doing this and have had to back myself away from many things I really want to say or present.

    In other words, the great difficulty is in finding a way to impose a universal and cosmic truth and time into someone's "personal truth and time" that they have not been properly prepared to receive. It's like throwing seed on the ground and expecting a harvest to come about. It don't work like that. We know that the earth has to be tilled and prepared in order to plant the seeds that will give harvest to the fruit or vegetables it is supposed to bear.

    There are others of us on this forum like you and myself who are guilty of "moving out of time", and this is not a condemnation but a recognition. I understand why we do it and I understand the love and the pain we feel as we do it...but I know we have to slow it down, back away and then figuere out exactly "what degree of light we are able to present and how to present it without the conflict." I have even discovered that at times, even that won't work.

    For example: You can present a mind shattering truth on here in such a fashion that you know it has no alternative but to reach every deaf, dumb and blind mind out there...and guess what? No One Will Respond To It. Why? Because you did your job so well that there's nothing they can say to it. Even that becomes a problem, because if no one resonds, then how do you know you got through and to who you got through to? Yes, this happens...and I'm speaking from experience.

    Oh well, let me chill for a while, I have said too much and yet not enough. You be in peace however you choose to do this. My job is done
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    Salaam,

    Are you stating, it's alright to LIE?

    There is only one 'truth".

    You have seperated it.

    Now, some may not be ready fo the "truth" but, this does NOT make it any less, though.

    I choose to present that which is "true" whether folks are "deaf, dumb and blind" or, not.
     
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    It's good to pay great attention to even the smallest words in the Scriptures taking nothing for granted, because that could make a difference in your understanding what the Most High wants you to know, and an even greater difference in your faith in He and His Anointed Son.

    I've stumped quite a few people when they were reading verses back to me, and I'd read what it actually said back to them. They recognized how they just assumed it meant one thing, though that one thing was never stated or implied. Of course some didn't want to hear that, and would tell me it definitely does mean what they want it to because it's normal for people to interpret it that way, according to them.

    But it's their choice how they go about understanding it, because that's what's stressed in faith; our freedom to choose our road, by believing in the Son, His teachings, His sacrifice for our sins, His resurrection, and all things He's done for us in compassion of the Father we trust, or denying all these things and joining the many who think they know a better way than the Way of the Most High. This is a freedom not denied toward one man or woman, and such a sweet one it is.
     
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