Black Spirituality Religion : As Regards Our Personal Religous Convictions:

[chuck]

"(O)ur personal religious convictions--(or absence of them)-- should play no role whatsoever... in determining the orientation of a struggle...which is purely political, socio-economic and racial...."

Shawna Maglanghayan

 

[Keita Kenyatta]

"(O)ur personal religious convictions--(or absence of them)-- should play no role whatsoever... in determining the orientation of a struggle...which is purely political, socio-economic and racial...."

Shawna Maglanghayan

It shouldn't but the reality is that it serves as an instrument of division being that it is supposedly "all inclusive", which we know that it isn't. This will be however, a spiritual battle as opposed to a religious one. Economically, physically and religiously, we have no win what so ever. We are either going to "manifest what we know our ability to be" or die....and I don't see us dying at all !!

 

[chuck]

I have a different take altogether: Since notions of uniting us on the basis of mere shared ethnic/racial/backgrounds/etc. also would have us to believe that also was and is what united us during slavery and segregation...

No...

The black christian churches once served as a beacon and haven, particularly doing the eras of slavery and segregation, etc., whereas more of today's folk have either reached back to their ancestors traditions-- and/or other embrace other faiths--also play significant roles in the midst of our diverse population in the states as well...

Some of us are different from our parents and grandparents eras--also have to make peace with each other-- in terms of who we are-- these days...

What the sister kinda sorta implies is how wrongheaded it is, i. e., operating as though such things don't tend to be either sources of distraction or conflict, so better to come up with different means/ways/etc. to base new movements on, and as I remind the other posters that one's religious/spirtual beliefs are their business/their choice/their right...

FYI...

 

[bingiedred]

"(O)ur personal religious convictions--(or absence of them)-- should play no role whatsoever... in determining the orientation of a struggle...which is purely political, socio-economic and racial...."

Shawna Maglanghayan

It shouldn't but it will. Part of the problem is that 'God' was taken out of the political/socio-economical picture to begin with under the system of the oppressors. So now the struggle is a struggle in itself with some people who have accepted the belief system of the oppressors, some who venerate the tradition of their ancestors and some who are doing something totally different than both of those (alternative lifestyles). And we are supposed to unite under a common banner sans 'God'? It will not happen. Build your foundation on truth and things will fall into place. That quote above is a pipe-dream and anyone who thinks it can be a reality is fooling themselves.

 

[chuck]

It shouldn't but it will. Part of the problem is that 'God' was taken out of the political/socio-economical picture to begin with under the system of the oppressors.

CTJ:

I associate that with folk who mimic their teachers too well, i. e., being an atheist is a given, when it comes to some devotees of marxist/leninism...Yes, I use the tools of historical and political analysis, but I don't turn my back on/deny my/our religious heritage etc.

This far because of our faith(s)...

You wrote:


So now the struggle is a struggle in itself with some people who have accepted the belief system of the oppressors,

CTJ:

Perhaps they also embrace pseudo religious beliefs, on the level of Rev Ike ad naseum, hence is why so many thousand seat churchs are being built, and notions of praying oneself into riches ad naseum...

some who venerate the tradition of their ancestors and some who are doing something totally different than both of those (alternative lifestyles).

CTJ:

Then those truly humble etc. should not berate the faiths of others here...

You wrote:

Sorry that I deleted the quote:

Instead, not for me to decide what aspect of somebody's faith should dictate how and why we come together...

As for me: I strive to reach/to teach/leave it up to others to preach...

You wrote:

Build your foundation on truth and things will fall into place.

CTJ:

I can only hope and pray that can and will happen...

You also wrote:

That quote above is a pipe-dream and anyone who thinks it can be a reality is fooling themselves.

CTJ: That is a reaction, not a response...Only time will tell who was right or wrong...

FYI...