Black People : Are We Sick?

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  1. happy69

    happy69 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Why do we still support "Black" men who hate us?

    I have never liked Kobe Bryant, I don't know why, I could never put my finger on it....

    But why is it that "Black" men who say or do foul things to Black women, and then they get in trouble we stand by them?

    Why is it that Black men who are for lack of a better term, yes men, who will never stand to power, etc... and in the eyes of White America, "decent negros" or rather---"not really Black..." and then they do something wrong.... they are Black?
     
  2. Destee

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    Happy69 ... of course i can't speak for "we," but i have an undying hope for my Brothers (and Sisters) to recognize how important it is for them to love themselves, and in turn, love their people.

    Without this hope, all that our Ancestors did to survive the brutality heaped upon them, was for naught. For them to sacrifice, endure life when death was easier, go through all that they did, so i could be here providing a community for all of my Sisters and Brothers throughout the world to come together, and begin healing from the centuries of pain ... i get here ... and i don't love one of my Brothers or my Sisters?! I don't recognize the influence of being bombarded for centuries with WMD. I don't recognize that all of us have been injured. I don't recognize how much we are in need of sincere loving kindness, compassion, forgiveness, and long suffering from each other. I am suppose to throw my Brother (or my Sister) away? I'm suppose to deny my Brother or Sister what was so graciously, willingly, generously given to me ... support, confidence, and encouragement when i was not deserving of it? This would make me sick.

    I recognize that not all of us will see it this way. There are many Africans in America that have no sense of dedication to their African Sisters and Brothers throughout the Diaspora. Likewise, there are many Africans in Africa that won't see it as i do. Many have nothing within them, that encourages them to give back even a portion of what they've received (from the struggles of our Ancestors). In my opinion, they are the sickest of all. But that's okay. I'm only responsible for me and my contribution to the struggle. Those who disagree do nothing to deter me from wanting, hoping, and always believing that sincere love for my Sisters and Brothers can, will and has made a difference.

    In addition, i am the Daughter and Mother of African Men. To give up on African Men (or African Women) would be to give up on myself. It's not even an option.

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    Destee
     
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    Des, I'm glad there are people like you out there supporting us and loving us no matter what because I agree with happy69. Ironically, her questions are the very same ones I asked when OJ came face to face with how the system works in America when his ex-wife was murdered.

    And what is it with these Black male athletes who seek out women in high schools? Jim Brown used to hang around them outside and who knows, probably still does. But anyway, that's another topic.

    Like Martha Stewart, if Kobe is innocent of the rape charges, he'll have his day in court to prove it. But he should have known that he would never be viewed the same nor treated the same as a white person once he's in the criminal system, so he never should have put himself in harms way for someone to hollar "Rape!" With this happening so much in our history, how can you feel sorry for a brother who did something as dumb and stupid as Kobe? What was he thinking--that white people love him?

    Has Kobe said and done foul things to Black women? I didn't know that.

    I remember once when asked, Hillary Clinton said that she thought the famous Country and Western song, "Stand By Your Man," was the dumbest song she ever heard.
     
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    i agree with happy also...if you are stupid enough to marry outside of your race, especially white/black then you should deal with all the issues that come your way...rich black sports stars marry white because they believe that the white girl will be more compliant than her black counterpart.it is a sad state but true...another attribute that goes with being a sports star is the feeling of invincibility...kobe probably thought that he could do no wrong...a championship at the age of 21, he got too much too soon...another sports star that got a lot too soon was magic johnson, but at least he had enough sense to marry a sister...i have no remorse for what kobe is going through...and maybe if he serves some time it will show that it does not pay to mess with you know who...
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    I concur with Destee, 100% many of our brothas and sistahs are lost and in pain. 500 years of mental, emotional, physical, psychic assualt does not go away over night. Not to excuse the behavior of a black man that assualts a woman, remember... innocent until proven guilty. but simply to draw a connection of why a sistah or brotha would prefer a person of a different race. While a number of athletes and entertainers do marry and date whites, the vast majority do not, and I think it is more constructive to acknowledge this point...rather than to focus on the misguided one's who don't.

    So in my humble opinion, I could not have answered this thread more eloquently than Destee.

    Hotep
     
  6. Destee

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    Thank you Sekhemu. I am honored and humbled.

    There are many Sisters and Brothers doing all kinds of wrong things. I'm sure we could each look in our own lives and find some wrong. It's just that Kobe, OJ, Jim Brown, etc., are in the public eye. Their wrong is there for all to see, but they don't begin to represent the thousands of us who are making poor decisions, primarily due to being African in a system of white supremacy. I don't disagree that the alleged acts are wrong, but the acts are not my focus. As long as we are oppressed, we will see things like this, and worse. If we begin to disown, divide, and separate ourselves from Sisters and Brothers that have committed some wrong act living under oppression ... there will be no Africans worthy of uniting with.

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  7. happy69

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    Destee,
    You are like countless Af-Am women, you keep on keeping on, you are at a place I have no intentions of returning. I had a wonderful and strong father, who worked and worked and worked and when the work was over he died; for his wife and kids. I have good, decent brothers who work and work and work for their wife and kids...

    All I ask is that you consider this...I have no problem with those who marry outside of race, per se. I believe that love is love is love is love(.)

    Just think about it. OJ left his black wife and family, to go out and have relations with someones teenage daughter--- no education, no seeming will, and he ended up having to take care of the whole family.... while his first kids and wife had to fight for every crumb.... and nobody said anything about him or to him. He was great, he was OJ! With all the sickness that came with it; orgies, having sex with men and women (white men and women)--- then it happened, and he was that **** Black OJ.... who we are still paying for his getting acquitted... and Blacks stood by him, supported him, literally had fights because of him, lost jobs b/c some felt that BLACK OJ HAD DID SOMETHING TO THEM, AND ALL BLACKS HAD TO PAY!!!

    Look at Kobe. He is sad(.) He married a stripper/prostitute... a white, stripper/prostitute....Brandy wasn't good enough, that beautiful Black Woman who has been on the news and getting ready to graduate from law school wasn't okay--- and you know why, because they were Black.

    This is not just on Black men, there are some Black women who are the same... but not too many... and in fact, to be fair, according to census reports it is actually up, to 91% of Blacks marrying other blacks, from 90%... again, not the ones who are truly in love---But the Sick... and I think that sick are a disgrace to their Mothers and Sisters...... at least Vanessa Williams was smart enough to recognize what she had done and ASKED for forgiveness...

    Then we have the nerve to let ourselves be implicated in their own doings.... as if we are like them, and then we let Whites use it against us... and I know that some of our support is an understanding of history....everybody want somebody, anybody White... well, I don't.
     
  8. happy69

    happy69 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Sekhemu:
    You too. I respect and agree with what you say, but America is already polarizing over this, and we are already getting slighted because of what Kobe is accused of ....

    Do you think that I want to focus on him? I will be made to focus on him, then again, wouldn't it be great if Black America says that that is his problem and move on... and where is his parents?
     
  9. Sekhemu

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    Happy your focus on the few misguided blacks that are, for lack of a better word.... socio-paths, is a little puzzling to me. We all know about the type of black man and woman you are writing about in this thread. You have indicated that 91% percent of us are marrying each other. So the math speaks for itself

    You also mention that because of the OK aquittal in the first trial that black "ALL BLACK PEOPLE HAD TO PAY" all of us? If white people wanted to do anything to us, they wouldn't do it because of some poor so called white trash was the wife a former black pro athlete. And they sure as hell wouldn't let us know about it.. It would have been done covertly by an institution that has the means to carry out a project, and done over a long period of time. This is what we fail to understand. Our sickness is not in a few brothas and sistahs marrying outside the race ,but the threat of a few powerful white males meeting in boardrooms implementing domestic and foreign policy to stop the rise of a Messiah... for the last 45 to 50 years. Our sickness is in being distracted by things that have no bearing in the overall health, struggle and liberation of our people, here and abroad. So if Kobe and OJ, like white women, let them have their party, the struggle must go on.
     
  10. Destee

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    happy69 ... with all due respect, you could not have been where i am, for if you were you'd never leave, let alone talk of not returning. It is a beautiful place. Yes, i must keep on keeping on. As long as my people are suffering, dying, and oppressed, i must continue. It's a compliment that you noticed. Thank you Sister.

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    Destee
     
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