Black Spirituality Religion : Are They On the Same Team?

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  1. river

    river Watch Her Flow MEMBER

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    II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Isreal and Judah.

    I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Isreal, and provoked David to number Israel.

    This is just one of the instances where God and satan are given credit for the same action.

    If a god is not known by his actionss by what is he known?

    Jams 1:20
    For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

    I'll let you figure this one out.
     
  2. Sekhemu

    Sekhemu Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    It certainly seems like it.

    I have some information on a God Called Abraxas, the similarities should prove revealing.
     
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    river Watch Her Flow MEMBER

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    Share this knowledge with us, brotha Sek.
     
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    Sekhemu Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    THere is a saying, that in order for a tree to reach the heights of heaven, it must have it's roots in hell.

    I'll be back later on to add to the thread sistah.
     
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    Sekhemu Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Before I address the comparisons between Abraxas and Yehovah. I think a brief summary of the greek God named Pan is in order.

    Disclaimer: It is not the intention of this article to denegrate nor to insult Christians or christianity.

    By Kevin Hearne

    Such a mention of the ancient Greek god, Pan, hardly seems threatening. it certainly does not suggest that Pan was evil incarnate- yet by approximately 300 C.E., the demonization of Pan had begun, and it continued until the western world largely associated images of Pan with the devil. To the Greeks, Pan was a shepherd: he was half goat and half man, a thing of nature-certainly not the Antichrist or a being who was out to corrupt and steal men's souls. He was lust; he played pipes and was therefore musical; and he was a God of nature. And though much is made in schools and textbooks of the major Olympians gods-Zeus and the gang-it is clear from archaelogical evidence that Pan was the favorite god of the Greek people. "It's a fact that there are more dedications to him than any other." Perhaps this is what led the Christian theologians to demonize Pan; they sensed a powerful competitor for the hearts and souls of the people. This demonization was no accident, but rather a deliberate twisting of pagan ideals as Christianity spread its influence throughout Europe. After the council of Nicea issued the Nicene Creed and the Roman Catholic Church was established in 325 C.E., Christian theologians (beginning with Eusebius) transformed Pan from a benign nature god to Satan-the great adversary.

    There is some evidence to the contrary- that in fact, Pan went the other way, and was associated with Jesus Christ. The connection may not be apparent at first: how can a "minor' god of the sizeable Greek pantheon have anything to do with the central figure of a monotheistic, eschatological religion? The mere suggestion of this would get someone burned at the stake during the Spanish Inquisition. But the similariteis are there. For example, they were bothe shepherds, after a fashion. Also, neither of them were entirely divine: Jesus was supposed to be one hundred percent divined and one hundred percent human simultaneously, and Pan was likewise a god and "also an earthly being, by virtue of his mother Dryope, his occupation, and his association with man. This fusion of the human and divine in one creature has led many later Christian poets-most notably Milton- to describe Pan as a pagan prefiguration of Jesus Christ." The crucial point here, however, is that such comparisons were made by poets-and mostly poets who lived afer the reformation-not by priests or bishiops of the Church and certainly not by any of the popes.

    The obvious problem with comparing Pan to Jesus, in the Church's view, would be Pan's incredible virility. Jesus was never portrayed as a sexual being, and to this day people still feel traces of guilt about sex, as if it were an unholy act. Pan was unabashadly libidinous. Pan's image was obviously as far away from that of Jesus as another deity could get. No member of the clergy would ever dare to draw comparisons between them whenthe contrast was so evident, so the poets were alone in raising Pan to a Christ figure.

    But what is it about sexuality that makes Christianity so afraid of it, besides the fact that Jesus didn't seem to have any? One scholar believes that since Pan was "a phallic deity, his father Hermes, he presented sexual desire, which can be both creative and destructive". The Church still preaches loudly about the destructive power sexual immorality, and pretty much leaves the creative aspect of it for granted. Since Pan's sexual nature was so evident, this might explain the Church's readiness to hold up Pan as an example of profound moral turpitude. "Sexual passion, which supsends reason and ealisy leads to excess, was alien... to the asceticism of the Christians; a god of sexuality, when combined with his unwholesome visage, thus gave the ascetics exactly what they needed. Since he had never been attractive to begin with, and Christians were wont to associate ugliness with evil (deformations and plagues of all kinds were seen as punishment from God for sins committed), Pan become the image of the devil. Pan's entire physique was so gruesome to behold that the Church could almost point to Pan and say, "This is what happens to the sexually immoral."

    Early Christians had a tendency to equate all pagan deities with demons. Eusebius, writing in the fourth century, was the first to take aim specifically at Pan. In responding to Plutarch's account of Pan's "death" during the reign of Tiberius, Eusebius interpreted the story as evidence that God had rid humankind of its biggest demon. "As the pagan deities were demons, in the Christian view, Eusebius' equating Pan with the Daemon, seems natural and unforced". By te time of Eusebius, it might well have been natural to make such and equation; but according to A History of the Devil, such slander would have been impossible without the emergence of the septuagint and the concept of a devil, period.

    It is not difficult to see here how Pan's rampant sexuality- so sinful to Christians-made him an ideal candidate for demonization. This defamation of a once pastoral god was part of a vast campaign of religious propaganda designed to put fear of the devil (where the fear of God didn't seem to work) in the people's hearts-for Christianity had several pantheons of old gods to conquer, and a personification of evil was efficacious in helping the process along. Thanks to Christianity, Pan literally became the world's biggest scapegoat
     
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    Baphomet

    Baphomet, also known as the Sabbath Goat, the Great God Pan, Abraxas, Thanateros or Horned one, is not, strictly speaking, a real being. It is a personification of the life force of every being, the sum of all life on Earth. It is a force which can be summoned by images, but it cannot be easily controlled.

    Baphomet is Pangenitor and Panphage, All-begetter and All devourer. it both man, animal and plant. It is ever changing, ever growing and dying. It is mindless, only filled with a dionysian will to grow, feed, mate, survive and die, again and again. It is filled with the ecstatic joy of life and death, and it exist inside every living being. The purpose of the invocation is to awaken this force and set it free.

    Baphomet is often depicted as a goat, or a man with horns and goat-legs. Since it is a mix between all life on Earth, it can look like everything. It can be seen as a hermaphroditic mix between human, reptile, insect, plant, mammal, bacteria and all of the life. Parts of it are rotting dead, since it also compasses the death and decay that is necessary for survival of life. It is often crowned by great horns signifying its power, and often changes shape and parts grow, change into new permutations, start to rot away and deform. it is filled with vitality, and will stimulate it in others.

    A symbol often associated with Baphomet is the inverted pentagram. In its upright form, the pentagram symbolizes the control over nature Man wields with his intellect and power. It can be thought of as an upright man, with imperiously outstretched arms and legs, ruling the elements with his head. This is from the order of hermes (Djehuti). The inverted pentagram symbolized the power nature wields over Man and his intellect. It can be thought of as the head of a goat. The Elements rule the head of Man.
     
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    That's very interesting, brotha Sek.

    I don't have to tell you that in the christian tradition both the goat and the pentagram are symbols of satan.

    In fact, anything suggestive of man's rulership of things is seen as humanistic which is seen as a ploy of the devil to deceive us into denying our need for God. Nobody would think that a parent who wants his children to be totally dependnt on him and punishes tham when they try to do things on their own is a good parent, yet this is what God the Father wants for his children.

    Anyway, I am thinking based on his actions....no I'd better not say that. I will get in trouble if I say that. :D
     
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    No need to! I'm not finished with this topic yet.

    I'll be adding on more information tommorrow :drums:
     
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    The word satan simply means "adversary".

    Sort of like a procecuting attorney who's job is to trick you into slipping and/or force you to get yourself in trouble.

    Both the DA & the Prosecuting attorny work for the State and are doing their job.


    This was how the Hebrews saw the satan.

    You can see the story be played out in Job where the satan came with the other children of God to make a plan to tempt Job.


    The "dualism" concept of some evil force bent on opposing God Almighty and having some sort of big war between God and the Devil is a product of Western and Persian ideology.
    I believe Zoroaster started it.

    It's laughable because Iblees is only doing his job as a satan/adversary and KNOWS he can't step to the Al Mighty.
     
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    Abraxas

    The name Abraxas, coined by Basilides, the Egyptian Gnostic, is a word consisting of seven letters which signify the seven creative powers or planetary angels recongnized by the ancients. Sampson Arnold Mackey advances the theory that the name is compounded from two ancient words, Abir, which means bull, and Axis, which means the pole. To substantiate this belief, he brings forward the fact that a motion of the earth, commonly calle the alternation of the poles, resulted in the vernal equinox taking place at one time in Taurus, the Celestial Bull, over the North Pole. The four white horses drawing the chariot of Abraxas symbolize the four eithers by means of which the solar power, Abraxas, is circulated through all parts of the universe. The seven-lettered name of Abraxas is symbolically significant of his seven-rayed power. That the modern world has any knowledge whatever of ancient Gnostic symbolism is largely due to the cupidity of those individuals who set themselves the task of destroying every intelligible record of Gnostic philosophy; for, wishing to keep rather than destroy articles of commercial value, the fanatics preserved gems upon which Gnostic symbols were engraved.

    Abraxas is not a god, and yet Abraxas is the only god. Abraxas is not a Spirit, but if ever there was a Spirit, Abraxas was its entirety, and Abraxas is the spirit that makes up all that we know, even that whic we call "matter" and "energy"--all that we know is only variations on the Spirit that is Abraxas.

    Abraxas is not the God of the Judeo-Christian bible, and yet, if that God ever did exist, Abraxas was him. Abraxas is also Satan. Ask the Gnostics. Abraxas is release from the timid binding laws of men, and yet Abraxas is the wisdom anda cunning that binds itself to those laws with cords of paper. Abraxas is the extremity of all human existance--the black hatred and the blood-red love, the admired violence and the terrible peace, the desolation and the joy of ages. And yet is the paradox that lies between, the simultaneous attainment of irreconcilable opposites without compromising the integrity of either element.

    Abraxas is the above and the below, the within and the without. Abraxas is the hope and the despair, the joy and the misery. Abraxas is why I am a omnipotent god walking the earth unique among all, and why I am one weak and fragile organism amid the throng of billions of others like me
     
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