Black Spirituality Religion : Are There Any Similaities Beween KMT and Yoruba?

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    We speak a lot about KMT and Ifa. But I've never seen anyone talk about their similarities (if I've missed previous discussions. please direct me to them). Since they are both part of our African heritage, , you'd think they'd be side by side like Greco-Roman society. I'm particularly interested in any influences KMT may have had on the orisha, the odu and/or the cosmology of Yoruba. Linguistic similarities are useful as well.
     
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    http://m.modernghana.com/mobile/321997/1/who-are-the-yorubas-where-did-they-come-from-and-w.html
     
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    If you study the so called Nilo Saharan languages you will find they extend into the Niger River Valley, and it is possible that some of the people who are considered Yoruba, Igbo, etc inhabited the Chadic Basin during the Green Sahara, out migrated then later returned to ancestral lands in the West (Amenta).

    This is why I reject the classification of Sub Saharan Africa. There is evidence of Trans Saharan and Trans Sahelian trade and cultural groups, more proper in relation to groups who migrated from Nubia proper, which experienced disruption of cultural continuity as result of Egyptian raids into Kerma/Nubia during reigns of Ahmose, Thuthmose III and Ramesses III.

    The Pan Graves at Kerma are result of Thuthmose III campaigns, and with sacking of Kerma, this caused a dispersal to the Western Sudan.
     
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    The link below had a map of the Sahel and it stretched from the Red Sea to the Ethiopic (Atlantis) Ocean. In antiquity, the was an aquatic region when the Nile flowed from East to West, and it is what fueled the African Spice, Gold and Salt trades as well as the rise of pastoralism, from Beribah to ancient Ghana down to Kongo.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahel
     
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    The following speaks to how Ofufuwa (Rulers) returned home when there were changes of power in Kmt and Ta Senet (Nubia).

    Since there is lack of written history in many instances, there is break in historical continuity, we must often give deference to oral history.

    This is why I think these discussions should focus on history and culture rather than religion and spirituality because systems changed whereas the people stayed the same. However, their legends changed over time as a result of changing patterns of migration.

    http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/2305
     
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    The article above states the following:
    "Africans scholars like Professors Peter Eke, Cheikh Diop, Frank Snowden, Dr. W.E.D DuBois, Marcus Garvey and John D. Balwin e.t.c worked tirelessly to prove that Egypt was and is in Africa. This may sound strange to a student new in the field, but a paper such as this can not do justice to their work. Anyone interested must pursue their work.
    In Egypt we see evidence of earlier civilization of the blacks from Sudan of today (Nubia), Nok culture, Ife stone, terracotta and language known before Christ (B.C), Igbo Ukwu 10th century, Sugbon Eredo, old Oyo walls, Benin Iya ditch, the Great Zimbabwe. There were the Wolof, Mendes, Akhan. The Shaka Zulu, and the 16th century Queen Nzinga of Angola who fought against slave trade. An objective scholar would see these cultures reproduced in Egypt, but not those who wanted to claim Egypt for the white race. Indeed, those who painted black civilization white are still working at it vigorously.
    African travel by boat or ship has been demonstrated by the advanced construction of Dafuna Canoe recently excavated near River Yobe dated 8,000 years old while the oldest boat in Egypt is 5,000 years old.
    Nazlet Kater, an African skull, the oldest human found in Luxor in 1980 is about 35,000 years old. There were also other white scholars who had made observation of the Egyptians as blacks. Greek historian Diodorus Siculus of Sicily, 1st century B.C, credited the Ethiopians (blacks) as the first of all men created by the gods and founders of civilization and religion in Egypt imported to Greece. Greek philosopher, Aristotle 384-322 B.C.E described the Ethiopians and the Egyptians as blacks. Greek writer Lucian 125 B.C, described the Egyptians with African features. The father of History, Herodotus 490-425 B.C.E, describe the City of Meroe, religion, food, valuable metals, burial ceremony, elephants and offerings (ebo). Their first God was Min (Emi Mimo) and that the Greek gods came from Egypt. French writer Constantin-Francois Volney 1757-1820, claimed that Ethiopians were the first to attain civilized way of life and worship.
    Those who have watched the Zar ritual dance conducted by special women among Fellahin in Egypt saw the replica of Yoruba dance during worship or Haitian Voodoo dance. But if you ask them or tell them, some might deny their identity. The Belady who were the original black settlers of Egypt have been oppressed by different powers but still hang on to the African tradition which is different from those who rule them. The culture remains with them. See Gamal Nkrumah on the Bedja.
    They still have melanin in their skin layers, their genes are related to Africans, still carry the sickle cell trait, practice circumcision and totem. An X-ray on Pharaohs done by James E. Harris of Michigan University proved the same. Egypt Arts, Religion, Oracle and the original language of the Beladi mirror that of Africans in general and Yoruba in particular. The work of Dr. Lucas has been quoted many times.
    These similarities between Egypt, Sudan, Yoruba and other African cousins are not coincidence. It establishes the rightful place of African civilization. The Yoruba civilization has been studied extensively because of their ancient way of life which predates the civilization in Egypt. We knew that even Egypt got its civilization from Sudan. An observation that must be noted carefully is that the Ijebu and the Sudanese have the same ethnic face mark. I have already stated that it is the Yoruba who traveled north."
     
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    The author states:

    "I don't rule out the possibility that we are descendents of the Egyptians.
    But at the same time, I do entertain the idea that we ARE the Egyptians.
    That is, scholarship is beginning to realize that Egypt was like America or
    Al-Andaluz (Moorish Spain), in the sense that most of the brilliant minds
    came from elsewhere - primarily Africa. In Egypt's case, they are finding
    that the so-called Egyptians migrated from as far as South Africa. Diop
    called them the Anu or Ainu.

    So, in a nut shell, it is equally possible that the Yorubas of Ile Ife were
    contemporaries of the Nubian civilization and migrated there, as well as to
    Egypt and, along with other Africans, helped to craft the great Egyptian
    civilization we know today."