Black Spirituality Religion : are the "jinn" of the Qur'an spiris or people?...

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  1. solomon7

    solomon7 Banned MEMBER

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    Your thoughts.

    Please, present evidence if, possible.

    :thanks:
     
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    solomon7 Banned MEMBER

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    part 1 of a conversation...


    I NEVER STATED THAT THE WORD "JINN" AS MENTIONED IN THE QUR'AN HAD ONLY ONE MEANING.


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    Iblis is said to be one of the jinns......these are supernatural beings, who can influence mankind. These are negative forces so that life as we know it can exist. Now before you try and mock or talk about ghosts and all that.....
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    How bout this, you tell me where it say they CAN be seen.......

    006.130
    YUSUFALI: "O ye assembly of Jinns and men! came there not unto you messengers from amongst you, setting forth unto you My signs, and warning you of the meeting of this Day of yours?" They will say: "We bear witness against ourselves." It was the life of this world that deceived them. So against themselves will they bear witness that they rejected Faith.


    Do you believe that Allah sent messengers to those that CAN'T be seen?

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    YUSUFALI: He will say: "Enter ye in the company of the peoples who passed away before you - men and jinns, - into the Fire." Every time a new people enters, it curses its sister-people (that went before), until they follow each other, all into the Fire. Saith the last about the first: "Our Lord! it is these that misled us: so give them a double penalty in the Fire." He will say: "Doubled for all" : but this ye do not

    IN THIS VERSE, CAN YOU NOT SEE?


    007.179
    YUSUFALI: Many are the Jinns and men we have made for Hell: They have hearts wherewith they understand not, eyes wherewith they see not, and ears wherewith they hear not. They are like cattle,- nay more misguided: for they are heedless (of warning).



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    YUSUFALI: Say: "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.

    THIS IMPLIES THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO WRITE.


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    YUSUFALI: And to Solomon (We made) the Wind (obedient): Its early morning (stride) was a month's (journey), and its evening (stride) was a month's (journey); and We made a Font of molten brass to flow for him; and there were Jinns that worked in front of him, by the leave of his Lord, and if any of them turned aside from our command, We made him taste of the Penalty of the Blazing Fire.

    SURELY YOU ARE NOT STATING, SOLOMON COULD NOT SEE THEM!


    PLUS, MANY MORE...




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    ==================suleiman = wise abdul = slave of
    Rahman = The Benificent or The Doer of Good
    so, the wise slave of, The Doer of Good
    "Pluto sits out there, but still just a touch of the Sun moves her."
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    uplift19 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    :congrats: I see you've started another conversation with yourself...I wonder what your next response will be. Maybe you should ask yourself for proof again.
     
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    Author Comment
    beanpie
    Grand Emperor Supreme
    (8/26/05 3:43 pm)
    Reply THE JINN-SO SIMPLE, A FOOL COULD *NOT*,UNDERSTAND.....
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    037.152
    YUSUFALI: "Allah has begotten children"? but they are liars!
    PICKTHAL: Allah hath begotten. Allah! verily they tell a lie.

    SHAKIR: Allah has begotten; and most surely they are liars.

    I BELIEVE THE ABOVE REFERS TO CHRISTIANS

    037.153
    YUSUFALI: Did He (then) choose daughters rather than sons?
    PICKTHAL: (And again of their falsehood): He hath preferred daughters to sons.
    SHAKIR: Has He chosen daughters in preference to sons?

    037.154
    YUSUFALI: What is the matter with you? How judge ye?
    PICKTHAL: What aileth you? How judge ye?
    SHAKIR: What is the matter with you, how is it that you judge?

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    YUSUFALI: Will ye not then receive admonition?
    PICKTHAL: Will ye not then reflect?
    SHAKIR: Will you not then mind?

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    YUSUFALI: Or have ye an authority manifest?
    PICKTHAL: Or have ye a clear warrant?
    SHAKIR: Or have you a clear authority?

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    YUSUFALI: Then bring ye your Book (of authority) if ye be truthful!
    PICKTHAL: Then produce your writ, if ye are truthful.
    SHAKIR: Then bring your book, if you are truthful.

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    YUSUFALI: And they have invented a blood-relationship between Him and the Jinns: but the Jinns know (quite well) that they have indeed to appear (before his Judgment-Seat)!
    PICKTHAL: And they imagine kinship between him and the jinn, whereas the jinn know well that they will be brought before (Him).
    SHAKIR: And they assert a relationship between Him and the jinn; and certainly the jinn do know that they shall surely be brought up;

    JESUS(PBUH) HAS BEEN PORTRAYED AS A CAUCASIAN, THEREBY IMPLYING THAT ALLAH, HIS SUPPOSED FATHER, IS CAUCASIAN THEREBY, IMPLYING A "BLOOD RELATIONSHIP".

    A "BLOOD RELATIONSHIP", PROVES THE JINN ARE HUMAN, in the above.

    ==================suleiman = wise abdul = slave of
    Rahman = The Benificent or The Doer of Good
    so, the wise slave of, The Doer of Good
    "Pluto sits out there, but still just a touch of the Sun moves her."
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    LOL :lol: Oh my gosh *shakes head*
     
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    solomon7 Banned MEMBER

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    Originally Posted by uplift19
    I see you've started another conversation with yourself...I wonder what your next response will be. Maybe you should ask yourself for proof again.




    This is the name of the thread.

    I have neither the power nor, inclination to, force others to, respond.
     
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    According to Qu`ran...they are Created also*

    Hotep

    The Jinn is a supernatural intity that can take on any shape or form it chooses. But this is more complex and complicated than it sounds...the Jinn is a spirit among other things such as is "Manifested" in human and man-kind form. The question should be asked...are Jinns good or evil?? Are there good jinns and are there bad Jinns...and do you really think they exist?? And if they do exist what difference will it make if you don't know who you are?? One thing for sure with out doupt...the Jinns know who they are. They don't make excuses for being "Weak", "Ignorant", "Dumb"...because none of these things they are not! As long as one chooses to be and remain under the control of any others (as negros are to europeans) the reality of the "Jinns" will forever remain a "Mistery" as the "Knowledge of Self is to the so-called Black African in America".

    Ase`
     
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    solomon7 Banned MEMBER

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    Slaam,

    On what do you base this?
     
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    Every thing is based on the "Knowledge of Self"*

    Hotep

    Every question is a good question unless one already knows the answer. There in a such thing as reading to get through and reading to digest, internalize and growth with "overstanding" and "Illumination". All of the people mentioned in the so-called Holy Books are worthy of knowing who they are today and yesterday...what land (name) are they called by today because they all still exist and are only called by a different name. If we don't study like there is no tomorrow...there won't be no tomorrow for some of us...because history will repeat itself in time unless "We" know better than we do "Now". What is a "Mistic"? Who are they...are they just someone who has studied and are given permission to translate or are they their own permission because they know?? The mistics who are referd to by the translaters (who are mistics themself) are scholers who know what others know not. The ordinary believers no matter how devoted are mostly not well learned...this allows them to be mis-lead by tyrants and others who can take advantage of their mis-understanding or no understanding at all. Then their are the "Wars" that we see today...because ordinary people don't take the time to know what is as apposed to what is not and are confused. Once more...a Jinn is a supernatural intity that can take on any form it chooses.
    People Know Thy Self*

    Ase`

    Note: If one can not trust their (Mistics) footnotes then why trust any of their translations?
     
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    salaam,

    you did not answer...

    Originally Posted by solomon7
    Salaam,

    On what do you base this?
     
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