Black People : Are Latinos closer to Africans?

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  1. Brotha Amun

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    The reason why I used the terms so-called Latinos and so-called African Americans is because both people are exactly the same in origin. There isn’t much difference between Latino and African people; you will understand why I am saying this after you finish reading this article. I am not sure if any of the readers listen to both, so-called Latino music or African music. Well if you do, you probably notice their music sounds exactly the same. At the end of this read there will be some hyperlinks that will direct you to some so-called Latino music and African music. Both African and Latinos like very hot and spicy food, these people usually have some kind of spice or pepper with each meal, with breakfast as an exception in some cases. Furthermore, besides monotheistic religions such as Christianity and Islam; the pantheons of traditional religions such as Yoruba and Santeria are nearly the same in both African and Latino spirituality.


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    On the other hand, African Americans physically resemble our brothers and sisters much more favorably than Latinos however, African American are not as attune with African culture like Latinos are. Universally, African American is much more like the European than people of African descent worldwide. These groups of people probably display as much or even more hatred and oppression towards each other than any other ethnic group worldwide. There are many strong, powerful and extremely intelligent African Americans. Unlike other people, African Americans don’t value their brothers and sisters with these qualities. They either compete against them or try to hinder them from success, if not destroying them. The sad part of this all, these great qualities possessed by African Americans, are used to benefit White America, instead of them.


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    The spirituality embraced by Latin America and Central America by Latinos, are primarily influenced by the Yoruba tradition, which is practiced in West African predominately. In this publication I will familiarize you with the Yoruba tradition. Then afterwards, I will compare the Yoruba tradition with the religious practice in the Caribbean, Central America and Latin America by Latinos who were influenced by the Yoruba tradition. After reading this publication, make sure you go back and reread my articles entitled: The Untold Secret of the Moors and The Nubian people. I want you to check out these articles after reading this one, because it will strengthen my point that Latinos and African is the same people. The only difference is many Latinos contain more Europeans blood in their veins than American Americans and Africans.


    A concept of Obi Divination

    Obi Divination may have it earliest roots in Nigeria, West African. The Yoruba tribe of Nigeria practice Obi Divination. Obi trees are found in Nigeria, and I believe South America (Latin American) as well. The Obi tree is a very sacred tree and people from the Yoruba tradition use Obi as rituals for Divination.


    Four important Oracles of Ifa divination

    1. Ikin, the 16 sacred palm nuts

    2. Opele, divining chain

    3. Eyo Owo or Erindinlogun, the 16 sacred cowries

    4. Obi Abata, the 16 sacred kola nuts


    The Spirit-like quality of Obi Abata

    · The two male (Ako meji)

    · The two female (Abo meji)

    Opon Ifa

    The Opon Ifa represents the four cardinal points of the universe.

    1. North

    2. South

    3. East

    4. West


    The top of the divining board represents the North, the bottom represents the South, right represents the East and the left-hand side represents the West. However, the four cardinal points of the universe, also correlates to the four fundamental elements of nature or the elements of life, which are: air (Shu), fire (Re), water (Nun) and earth (Geb). Allow me to note, the Opon Ifa is a divining board used to perform Obi divination.

    The four major Odus, Obi divination system

    1. Iwori – Spirit, associated with the southern cardinal point of the Universe.

    2. Idi – Rebirth, associated with the eastern cardinal point of the Universe.

    3. Ogbe – Life, associated with the western cardinal point of the Universe.

    4. Oyeku – death

    Consideration for Diviner

    a) Ori – opon is the Top (North) of the Opon Ifa denoting distant places, the sky of the heaven; abode of the orisa (deities), spirits and ancestors

    b) Ese – opon is the Bottom (South) of the Opon Ifa, denoting the earth or dwelling place for people, animals and plants.


    c) Otun – opon is the Right (East) of the Opon Ifa denoting matters of the home and the inquirer.



    d) Osi – opon is the Left (West) of the Opon Ifa denoting matters outside of the home and the neighbors.

    (See: Obi Divination by Afolabi A. Epega, page 9)​

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    My intent for informing the readers about Obi Divination is to allow the readers to see how the rituals practiced in some Latin American countries are similar to the rituals practiced by the Yoruba tribe of West Africa. I will now inform the readers about the Gods and Goddess of Yoruba that are worshipped in the Candomble, Umbanda and Santeria religions by Latino people. Once I cover the topic of the Latino religion that is similar to the African way of life. I will then give an abstract concept of what is known as the Igbo religion, which is just a way of life for us Nigerians who live Igbo. Before I begin to proceed about the Candomble religion, allow me to note that Candomble, Umbanda and Santeria are all rooted from Yoruba or Benin (W. Africa). The main place of all these religions I am going to mention has ancestral relationship with Nigeria and Benin.

    Candomble

    The main place that practice Candomble is Brazil. However, nations such as: Argentina, Colombia, Venezuela, United States and Uruguay all practice Candomble as well. Candomble has elements from the African way of life and a major religion as followed: Dahomey Vodun, Kongo nikisi and Roman Catholicism.

    Umbanda

    Umbanda is practiced in Argentina, United States and Uruguay. However, Brazil is the most predominated place where Umbanda is practiced. This religion is a mixture of Yoruba Orisha, Bantu, Indigenous American spiritism and Roman Catholic.


    Santeria

    This religion is the most predominated religion with Yoruba origins that are practiced by Latinos. It is also influenced by an Indigenous American way of life and Roman Catholic syncretism. Nation such as: Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, United States, Dominican Republic, Mexico, Panama, Puerto Rico, Venezuela and Uruguay all practice Santeria. Furthermore, Santeria has it beginnings in Cuba, where it is practiced the most.


    Brief concepts of Igbo


    In Igbo, there are Goddess and Gods that are represented by elements, like there were in ancient Khemet (Egipt). Ala, also known as Ana, Ale and Ani is an Earth goddess. She is known as the Queen of the underworld. At Mbari found in the southern region of Owerri. There is a symbol of Ala, with a child in her arm and a crescent moon near her. This is similar to the statue of Auset (Isis) with Heru (Horus) in her arm. Ala has a twin, and on her preside is the opposite, the God of storms.

    Ani can be compared to the Kemetic deity (so-called Egiptian deity) Geb. Chukwu is a solar deity, he is acknowledged as the cosmic force that manifest itself in the land, skies, and sea; Chukwu can be compared to the Kemetic deity Re or Ra (solar god). The husband of Ani is believed to be a sky deity, he is known as Igwe, and can be compared to the Khemetic sky deity (Egiptian sky deity), Nut. He produces rain for the earth, and the earth Goddess to aid her with production. The Igbo way of life is believed to be called Odinani. Odi means it is, Na means on/within and Ala means the land or earth. In Igbo, Chi is acknowledged as personal providence and Arushi is acknowledged as the supernatural forces.





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    are you here to bash african americans?
     
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    Most of the Africans shipped out during the transatlantic slave trade, were taken to the Latin Americas.

    I am not bashing anyone. But if there is an observed European inclination among North African-Americans, then it may tally with the Triple Heritage postulated by Dr Clyde Winters: Black Native American, Black European, Black African.

    Europe is just 10 miles from Africa.

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    ...sounds like you got this from the encyclopedia Britanica. Very general and I don't get all the associations or the point. For instance...have you heard of /Diaspora? We are Diaspora Africans and so are Hispanics outside of Spain. Hispanics have more European and Native Indian roots. We ( outside of Africa ) are African, European. Santeria practitioners are Yoruba descendants who have Hispanic roots. In Africa the Yoruba tradition is regional and there is no Catholic / Yoruba association. In original Yoruba land, there ARE OVER 4000 MANIFESTATIONS OF ORISHA. Outside of the cradle there are 21. This is just "one" multiple counter point. I'm talking generally from life experience and natural association.
     
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    Afrolatinos are mixed race people who have shared native ancestors as well...

    That's why my distant relatives in Mexico are also referred to as that nation's third root..

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    And I'm waiting on your answer to brother james from phillys question as well Amun...

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    Very few of the so called latin countries have spicy foods. You obviously have not been to Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Argentina, Colombia. Not sure what you would consider Brazil, but not much spice there either. Spanish cuisine is normally somewhat bland. About the only countrie known for its spicy food is Mexico, and its not South American. You want spicy in most of these ask for Tabasco.
     
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    Always listening and learning too...

    Also thanks for your feedback as well...

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    why is errbody always running AA down?
     
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