Black Christians : Are Jesus And God The Father The Same Person?

Akwasi

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There were about fifteen other Jesus before the white Jesus existed. It’s questionable there were ever a Jesus that walked the earth. If he did walked the earth, he was only a man. The Supreme Being is perfect in power, wisdom and goodness who is worshipped as the Creator and Ruler of the Universe. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit teachings of the trinity are strictly teachings from the Catholic Western Church. In John G. Jackson’s book, “Christianity Before Christ” debunk the western trinity Jesus and the Bible. And many others do the same
 

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Btw, "If Jesus never called himself God,:what: how did he become one?" Again, are Jesus and God the same person? :computer:Who answers "Yes!" & Who answers "No!" Give your:research1: reasons for the answer you gave [yes] or [no]. Enough said.
Btw, "If Jesus never called himself God,:what: how did he become one?" Again, are Jesus and God the same person?

From I what I remember the scriptures said that Jesus said, that 'he and the Father are one'. And he explains further that he is in agreement with God--the Creator and so, in that sense, he is saying that by being in agreement with his father, they are both ONE.

It is just like a husband and wife; over years if they become spiritually bonded, then it could be said that 'they are one'. And yet, another example would be Abraham and his wife Sarah; after years of being married, Abraham came to express that he trusted his wife so much so, that what she chose, was accepted by him. So NO, Jesus did not call himself God. He is the Only Begotten Son of God, and in full agreement with His Father.
 

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There were about fifteen other Jesus before the white Jesus existed. It’s questionable there were ever a Jesus that walked the earth. If he did walked the earth, he was only a man. The Supreme Being is perfect in power, wisdom and goodness who is worshipped as the Creator and Ruler of the Universe. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit teachings of the trinity are strictly teachings from the Catholic Western Church. In John G. Jackson’s book, “Christianity Before Christ” debunk the western trinity Jesus and the Bible. And many others do the same
It’s questionable there were ever a Jesus that walked the earth. If he did walked the earth, he was only a man.


This forum is for Christians who believe in Jesus though. It's for Christians who do believe that Jesus did walk the earth. If you doubt or, like the starter of this thread, challenge Christians on certain beliefs within this context and ask Christians to comment, that would be the purpose of why Sister Destee formatted this forum. However, I will comment due to the starter of this thread in connection to your statement about 'If one of the fifteen Jesus before the white Jesus existed' was that Jesus described in the Bible. And I will comment due to your statement about Jesus being "only a man" and my response is based on ancient scriptures and Christianity. I will also address you statement about the Trinity:

[1] the Bible MARKS Jesus in scripture with a scientific phenomenon; the Star of Bethlehem, a moving star that moved into a position over the area where Jesus was born during the Feast of Tabernacles. NASA and other scientist report continually that this very 'planet' moves into positions at times and recently, it did so, exactly as it had done the first time it came into orbit at the time when Jesus was born. Today, this phenomenon is called; THE GREAT CONJUNCTION as it came into orbit with the planet Jupiter and this was reported worldwide this past December 21, 2020. Ancient civilizations such as the ancient Chinese records report this phenomena as well. Therefore, the 15 Jesus you speak of would have to be reference in this way to have any validity. Many ancient Roman coins also depict this phenomena of the new star that came into orbit. Our western calendars give the date based on Herod-the-Great of 7 B.C. and not based on the actual scientific date that is today confirmed by NASA of which would be aligned with that Great Conjunction and the Triangle Conjunction as well, that include the planet Mars at that time.

[2] The Scriptures say that Jesus was not "only a man" because he was not conceived by sexual intercourse. The prophet Isaiah prophesized his coming byway of a virgin birth about 700 years before he was born. Moses also prophesized his advent and etc. JESUS was born byway of what scientist today call, an ASEXUAL BIRTH.

As a scientist, that would be believable imo, because other living species on this earth have expressed this type of birth and so, because Humans are indeed the highest form of living creatures on this planet, it would seem likely that this phenomenon could happen. Because of the Original Sin, however, humans have lost our original physical presence. But, as the scriptures reveal indirectly, the Jews, were covered by God and so, the generations of the line of Jesus produced this miracle through Mary; the virgin Mary.

The most recent shock in the scientific world today in modern times that correlate to this phenomena would be THE COMODO DRAGON. A female Comodo Dragon was put in a zoo with no male in her environment and in 2005, she gave birth to a baby male Comodo and shocked the scientific world.

[3] The Trinity is not just from Catholic Origins but is based on the Pentatuch. [1] The Feast of Passover directly addresses the Coming of Jesus, [2] The Fest of 7 Weeks directly addresses the Birth of the Holy Spirit and aligns on the 50 Day Pentacost, and [3] The Feast of Tabernacle [Booths] directly addresses the Father, the Creator God as is outlined the prophets especially the prophet Isaiah. All 3 of this mandated from heaven yearly festivals are to be observed forever and directly correlate to the Trinity; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.
 

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Jesus is not an historical figure. He is for all practical purposes a copy from the story of The Babylonian Christ. In the British museum, today there is an ancient tablet dating back to about 2000 BCE well before the life of Jesus.
This Babylonian tablet tells of a story dating some 2000 years before Jesus therefore The Christian Passion story is just a copy of The Babylonian story. Below you will find the undeniable similarities of both stories...
The Assyrian-Babylonian Bel Myth Parallels to the Christian Jesus Myth
The Assyrian-Babylonian Bel MythThe Jesus Myth
1. The Arrest of Bel [In the Month of Nisan-- April]1. The Arrest of Jesus [In the Month of April]
2. The Trial of Bel2. The Trial of Jesus
3. A Priest/Judge Asks "What is his sin?"3. Pilate Asks "What evil has he done?" [St. Matthew 27:23]
4. The Judgment Against Bel4. The Judgment Against Jesus
5. Water Is Brought to the Building for the Washing of Hands5. Pilate Washes His Hands [St. Matthew 27:24]
6. The Scourging of Bel6. The Scourging of Jesus
7. A Criminal Condemned to Die with Bel Is Released7. Criminals Are Condemned to Die with Jesus; Barrabas Is Released
8. Bel is Led Away to the Mount (a sacred grove on a hilltop)
[See Note 1 below]
8. Jesus is Led Away to Golgotha (a hill called The Skull)
[See Note 1 below]
9. Bel is Executed [Bel is "Bound/Caused to Perish"—Most likely Crucified]9. Jesus is Executed/Crucified [See Note 2 below]
10. A Commotion: A Riot Begins in a Nearby City10. A Commotion: An Earthquake, the Renting of the Veil of the Temple, The Dead Rise, and Walk and Talk with the Living
11. Bel's Clothes Are Taken Away11. Jesus' Clothes Are Taken Away
12. A Burial Garment Is Put Onto Bel's Body12. Jesus' Body Is Wrapped in a Burial Garment

You folks may also want to pick up a copy of the book (Christianity Before Christ) there have been many Christ figures before this so-called Jesus.

The Assyrian and Babylonian Bel Myth Parallels to the Christian Jesus Myth​

 

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