Jails / Prisons : Apple's refusal to hire felons to construct its headquarters points to a deeper problem

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  1. RAPTOR

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    Policies like Apple’s have sparked a national movement to take criminal
    records out of the hiring process.


    Apple has long been known for its sleek, pristine design. Jony Ive, the tech giant’s senior vice
    president of design, has even described the company’s products as “beautiful” and “pure.”
    Apparently, Apple wants the construction workers building its gleaming, new Cupertino, Calif.
    headquarters to have criminal records that are just as unadulterated.

    The company is banning individuals who have been convicted of a felony from working on
    the project, which will cost a reported $5 billion.

    The company declined to comment on the matter, but a person with knowledge of Apple’s policy says
    it applies only to ex-offenders with felony convictions in the past seven years and that workers facing
    pending felony charges are considered for employment on a case-by-case basis.

    Read more: https://fortune.com/2015/04/08/apple-criminal-background-checks-hiring/
     
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    What's the big deal.
     
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    Peace Raptor..

    Why should criminal records be ignored hiring process?
     
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    For my experience of working in this field, certain aspect of construction involve security issues. No matter what is built, you need people to do it, which mean knowing details of how something is constructed, and what materials are used. For example, when I was a service designer, I had to design power routes to the ATMs that are outside of the banks. Which means I know how to disable power and surveillance systems.

    Peace!
     
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    Good question.

    For me, why should being a mere ex-felon deny one of work?
    Aren't these prisons/jails tools of rehabilitation?

    But to answer your question, no , not outright.
     
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    I am curious that as to what
    are the dis-qualifiers for apple
    in terms of who will work in
    the project of building their
    headquarters...
     
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    Then again, $5 mill is a drop
    in the bucket for apple....
     
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    let's not act brand new Mr. Raptor.. you know that prison in America has absolutely nothing to do with rehabilitation.

    and let's not forget the range of crimes that earn one the title "Felon". It's not unreasonable for a company to require clean criminal histories for it's applicants.
     
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    Rehabilitation?

    Depends on the so called felon...

    Felonies
    Felonies are the most serious type of criminal offense. Felonies often involve serious physical harm (or threat of harm) to victims, but they also include offenses like white collar crimes and fraud schemes. Offenses that otherwise are misdemeanors can be elevated to felonies for second-time offenders. A felony conviction, like a misdemeanor conviction, may not result in time behind bars. But felonies carry potential imprisonment that ranges from time in prison (a year is often the low end) to life in prison without parole or even death. As with misdemeanors, states may also subdivide felonies by class or degree.

    Felony Example 1. Randy is convicted of felony assault with a deadly weapon even though the bottle that he threw at another patron in a tavern missed its intended target. Even though he failed to injure the intended victim, his behavior was intended to (and did) create a risk of serious physical injury.

    Felony Example 2. Leora had two prior shoplifting convictions before being arrested for yet another shoplifting offense. State law allows prosecutors to charge shoplifting as a felony if the merchandise was worth a certain amount and the defendant has two or more prior shoplifting convictions. The prosecutor charges Leora with felony shoplifting.

    http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclope...meanors-infractions-classification-33814.html


    • "A felony conviction, like a misdemeanor conviction, may not result in time behind bars. But felonies carry potential imprisonment that ranges from time in prison (a year is often the low end) to life in prison without parole or even death."

    Here are a few considered felonies:

    Terrorism, treason, arson, murder, rape, robbery, burglary, and kidnapping​

    If the person charged and convicted of one or any of these attends a "rehab center", they don't always have to participate in the rehab, they can just go and wait to graduate and come out with a changed character... right?

    Wouldn't 7 years be a justifiable time for someone to work themselves back into the social economic structure and prove themselves to have been so called "rehabilitated"?

    The part I don't care for is them hiring them, and then snatching them off the site.
    That is something that should be looked into, unless the claim is the hiring department violated Apple's hiring policy.

    On Friday, Governor Terry McAuliffe signed an executive order to remove questions about candidates’ criminal history from state government job applications. Agencies can run criminal background checks on an applicant but only after finding the individual otherwise qualified for a job. McAuliffe encouraged private employers to follow the same procedure.​

    So does this mean bring them in and hire them, and then fire them after they find out they have been convicted of arson in the last 3 years?

    Kind of sounds like what Apple did in this situation though. They had already hired them so to speak, then investigated their criminal background. But I wonder what encouraged them investigate and then to do this?

    Did they profile these hires later and see something they considered suspect?
    Is this a new Apple policy or have they always enforced it this way?

    But the article jumps all over the place discussing other stats and businesses

    "A spokesperson for Facebook, which moved into new headquarters on March 30, told Fortune that the company does not have a policy prohibiting its construction companies from hiring convicted felons."

    What does Facebook, Kentucky Fried Chicken or Holiday Inn have to do with Apple?

    Why should Apple, The Baltimore Ravens, The Miami Heat, The Atlanta Braves, Burger King, Trump Towers, The Hilton, Fox Studios, BET Studios, etc hire and exclude portions of a person's resume? Many times resumes give character references, and a potential employer may call a prior employer or other references for a character assessment... then what?

    Should this practice be changed as well?

    I completely agree with giving people second chances (obviously), but there are plenty of programs set up for this.
    Speaking of rehabilitation, prisons have job placement and career assistance after being released, don't they?

    If not, this should be more of the focus than who "Apple Inc." hires to poor cement.

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    Chastising businesses because they have a different standard based on convictions of crimes that offer a glimpse into possible character flaws, is fruitless unless laws change to force them to do so.
     
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    True, a bit of sarcasm.

    Not to mention how many folks are in there on some trumped up charges, and for
    crimes they did not commit (or at least shady convictions if you look at a number
    of the court records).

    No, its not but if folks can't work, the what does society do with them?
    They gotta get on wit their lives and if they did their time, let'm work.
     
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