Black People : apology to victims of lynching- cspan2

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  1. daroc

    daroc Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    has anyone been watching c-span2?

    the senate has issues a resolution- apology to victims of lynching
    sen kerry- spoke about how the "black holocaust" is not over. that even though the senate( not all 100) have passed a resolution it basically is a slap in the face because showing that we still got issues.
    sen obama spoke about how the voting rights act of 65 needs to be revamp

    the apology is a result of a the senate to pass an antilynching bill on several occasions
     
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    It is important to know exactly what they are proposing to apologize for:

    Congressman Leonidas Dyer of Missouri first introduced his Anti-Lynching Bill--known as the Dyer Bill--into Congress in 1918. The NAACP supported the passage of this bill from 1919 onward; they had not done so initially, arguing that the bill was unconstitutional based on the recommendations of Moorfield Storey, a lawyer and the first president of the NAACP. Storey revised his position in 1918 and from 1919 onward the NAACP supported Dyer's anti-lynching legislation. The Dyer Bill was passed by the House of Representatives on the 26th of January 1922, and was given a favorable report by the Senate Committee assigned to report on it in July 1922, but its passage was halted by a filibuster in the Senate. Efforts to pass similar legislation were not taken up again until the 1930s with the Costigan-Wagner Bill. The Dyer Bill influenced the text of anti-lynching legislation promoted by the NAACP into the 1950s, including the Costigan-Wagner Bill

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    While the bill was stalled by a Senate filibuster, a systemized, institutionalized reign of terror that was used to maintain the power Whites had over Blacks and to keep Blacks fearful and forestall Black progress moved forward unabated. For decades lynching was a constant source of intimidation to all Blacks and a constant reminder of their defenselessness. The Senate filibuster cost the lives of thousands Afrikan men and women.



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    The following statements made by southern Congressmen during the Dyer Bill debate suggest that they were more concerned with White supremacy and the oppression of Blacks than they were with constitutional issues.


    Senator James Buchanan of Texas claimed that in "the Southern States and in secret meetings of the Negro race [White liberals] preach the damnable doctrine of social equality which excites the criminal sensualities of the criminal element of the Negro race and directly incites the diabolical crime of rape upon the white women. Lynching follows as swift as lightning, and all the statutes of State and Nation cannot stop it."

    Representative Percy Quin of Mississippi, spoke of lynch law, "Whenever an infamous outrage is committed upon a [Southern] White woman the law is enforced by the neighbors of the woman who has been outraged? The colored people of [the South] realize the manner of that enforcement, and that is the one method by which the horrible crime of rape has been held down where the Negro element is in a large majority. The man who believes that the Negro race is all bad is mistaken. But you must recollect that there is an element of barbarism in the black man, and the people around where he lives recognize that fact."

    Representative Sisson of Mississippi said, "as long as rape continues lynching will continue. For this crime, and this crime alone, the South has not hesitated to administer swift and certain punishment....We are going to protect our girls and womenfolk from these black brutes. When these black fiends keep their hands off the throats of the women of the South then lynching will stop...."

    Representative Benjamin Tillman from South Carolina claimed that the Dyer Bill would eliminate the states and "substitute for the starry banner of the Republic, a black flag of tyrannical centralized government...black as the face and heart of the rapist...who [recently] deflowered and killed Margaret Lear," a White girl in South Carolina.18 Tillman asked why anyone should care about the "burning of an occasional ravisher," when the House had more important concerns.

    Senator T.H. Caraway of Arkansas claimed that the NAACP, "wrote this bill and handed it to the proponents of it. These people had but one idea in view, and that was to make rape permissible, and to allow the guilty to go unpunished if that rape should be committed by a Negro against a white woman in the South."


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  3. daroc

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    thank you lazarus for that info
     
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    I read that in the paper on the train, coming home from work yesterday....My first raction was "F" an apology....Reparations is due..and I still feel that way... over 4,000 people of African descent were said to be lynched (1900 to 1920's) and all they can give is a [email protected] apology (in 2005)?
     
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    The snow ball of Raparations is building.

    "Truth crushed to the ground will rise"
    "What is done in the dark will come out in the Light"
     
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    Isaiah Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Wow, how do you apologize to me for MURDERING my GrandParents??? Absurd!!! Aint enough apologies on God's Green for such an act...

    Peace!
    Isaiah
     
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    First they're not appologizing for murdering anyone (how can they since they weren't the muderers).

    "The Senate filibuster cost the lives of thousands Afrikan men and women."

    The filibuster didn't cost anyone their lives. MURDER was illigal and if caught the people would have gone to jail, it's not like they could use the excuse "but sir, I lynched him and that's not illegal"!!

    The anti-lynching bill really won't to anything, it's just fluff. Lots of things are illegal, people still do them everyday. Now people get extra time for a "hate crime", maybe they could now get extra time if they lynch someone, but it's not going to stop the hate or the murder from happening.
     
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    Indya, firstly, I didn't say the Senate murdered anyone... I said people were murdered, and they were - vigilante style, with the murderers playing judge, jury, and executioner...

    Secondly, the Senate fillibusters at the time DID reinforce the notion that Black life was cheap, and therefore lynchings warranted no extra-legal punishment... To add to this, southern police PARTICIPATED in most of these lynchings, as they knew just WHO had participated in these murders of Black people, and did absolutely NOTHING about it... Even if these folk had appeared at the front doors of these judges, they'd have done nothing... We know this Indya, because so many Black Men were dragged right out of the JAIL where the JAILER WORKED...

    No, you cannot stop hate through legislation, but you can make knuckleheads pay for acting out their hatred... There is a reason why we don't have these kinds of vigilante mobs running around murdering Black folks anymore... We made it clear that we would not tolerate it any longer by seeking legal redress, and by posing an equal threat when we picked up the gun, and said "come get to this..." These cowards didn't even want to go to jail, much less die trying to kill African people committed to resisting their violence...

    Peace!
    Isaiah
     
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    So, how is the anti-lynching law not fluff?? It wouldn't have stopped the lynchings back then since, as you posted, the police were in on it. They might have made jail time longer if a person was murdered by being hung, but that probably woudn't have stopped it.

    You state the fillibuster enforced the idea that black life was cheep. The people doing the lynching already thought that and a bill wouldn't have changed their minds. Murder was already illegal...

    What good does this bill do today???? It's an embarrasment to them that they didn't pass it, but it does no good today.
     
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    Indya, my sister, this is the will of the ancestors. First the apology, then the money. Oh yes, we are not going let this country get away with the injustice we as people suffered and continue to suffer... .. Oh hell no! This bill is very significant and just the beginning. Look at what is happening in Mississippi, Stanley Morgan, Michovia, Aetna, Emitt Till's case, Tulsa, and the list will keep growing. Blackelectorate.com will give you some relevant stories about what is happening.

    Don't sleep sister, our ancestors will not rest until we get justice and we shouldn't either. Get on board Indya cause this train ain't gonna stop for nobody! It is our time now!
     
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