Black Spirituality Religion : Any item of the world can be analyzed by science thoroughly-Statue do not contain God

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  1. dattaswami1

    dattaswami1 Well-Known Member MEMBER

    May 28, 2005
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    Any item of the world can be analyzed by science thoroughly-Statue do not contain God

    Science is the absolute master as far as the world within its limits is concerned. Any item of the world can be analyzed by science thoroughly and the report of science is final. This is a great advantage to protect the correct spiritual knowledge from exploitations. Ignorant and selfish scholars exploit by misleading us in making us believe that certain worldly items are God directly. Awareness (Soul) is such best exploitation. Here comes science to rescue us from such twists and exploitations. The priests exploit us by saying that a statue is God or contains God. The analysis by science clears such exploitation. At least in the case of the soul, God may enter some soul (human incarnation) to preach the knowledge. But such necessity does not exist in the case of a statue and hence God never enters any statue.

    The only purpose of statue is to keep it as a representative model of God. The Advaita Scholars exploit themselves only to enjoy the sweet dream. The priests exploit others to enjoy the sweets offered by others! Of course, the soul can be treated as the greatest item among the imaginable items of the creation and hence the soul can be called as Brahman because the root meaning of the word Brahman is that which is greatest. The word Brahman is Yaugika, which means that it can be applied to any item if the root meaning is applicable (Yoga Rudha means the word fixed to a particular item only when its root meaning is applicable to many including that particular item). The word Brahman is also applied to mean the scripture Veda that is greatest among all the scriptures (since Veda is protected by recitation from generation to generation without any deletions or introductions) as said in Gita (Brahmakshara Samudbhavam).

    The word Brahman is applied to God also since He is greater than every thing in the universe and hence the greatest. You can meditate upon yourself separating from the body and get temporary relief from stress, which is like the first aid to injury. Like this the word Brahman is not Yoga Rudha and is not fixed in God only. The ignorance of this concept misleads you to think that the soul is God when it is said that the soul is Brahman (Ayamaatmaa Brahma…Veda). This means that a particular soul like Krishna, Adi Shankara etc., is God if you take the word Brahman to mean God. If you take the word Brahman to mean a greatest item in any category, this means that the soul is greatest in the universe. This may also be giving the metaphor for soul and God.

    You can keep the statue to represent God as a model (Pratika) in the beginning. Veda says that you can worship the inert globe of Sun as representative model for God but immediately says that Sun is not God, Sun fears for God and God is not in inert object (Adityam Brahmeti…., Nedam tat…., Bhishodeti….,Natasya Pratima…). The tradition of Advaita and the tradition of worship of inert objects as models for God are good as long as they are limited to their specified levels and should not be over extended for exploitation of self and other selves.

    At the Lotus Feet of His Holiness Sri Dattaswami

    Anil Antony
  2. Angela22

    Angela22 Well-Known Member MEMBER

    United States
    Feb 26, 2013
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    I don't believe the report of today's science is final, but conflicting to what is truth. True science or rather knowledge is what explains the truth for what it is, and not by what this world corrupts it to be.

    Faith cannot be explained by today's science for what it truly is, and what it truly gains; for all it does gain, faith be had in the Faithful Son for His sacrifice for our sins, that we may have salvation.

    The Son's Resurrection from the dead to life eternal cannot be explained by today's science, but should still be believed that one might have redemption before the KING.

    Today's science cannot explain much which is of the Spiritual only, so one shows their faith and trust in the Father, or one shows it in men who think they have much of the right answers.
  3. LMagere

    LMagere Well-Known Member MEMBER

    Jun 15, 2013
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    I agree with you science is not final however it does not conflict with what is true. If something is wrong in science the idea is abandoned. Science is just the study of the natural world. If a scientist has a corrupt theory anyone can demonstrate what is wrong with the theory though science. That is why the knowledge we acquire though science is useful to us in everything we do unlike faith.

    A dictionary can explain what faith is but notc why people have faith. Science as in neuroscientists, sociologists etc. are working on why people have faith. The problem with acquiring knowledge though faith is the method allows for everything to be true and false at the same time. So useless is the knowledge acquired by faith (if we can even call it knowledge) that we all use if to do nothing. We don’t cure people with faith, we don’t build houses with faith, we don’t help each other using faith etc.

    Science cannot explain the resurrection because no one has observed a resurrection. It is not something that occurs (as far as we know) naturally and science does not deal with the supernatural. With faith it is ok to just believe in spite of the facts. Science is based facts so that we believe in it because of the facts.

    Today’s science cannot explain much yet all we know about the universe we are in, we know because of science. Science can’t explain unicorns, leprechauns or fairies but this does not prove they exist.

    Question: Without the father and the son there is no sin and no evil. So who gets sacrificed to redeem them for creating evil for creating people with sin and then punishing them? Who redeems them for creating a world with suffering for no reason at all?