Black Spirituality Religion : Another Question Concerning Kemetian Theology

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  1. river

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    My teacher is gone away and I am full of questions. Ashby is confusing me. Brothas, help me out please.

    My question is simple though I am sure the answer is not.

    Who is the supreme Being and creator: Neter or Ra?
     
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    Nebetcher. Then you have the Neteru...Ra included, this is the Heirarchy.
     
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    Nebetcher? Then who is Neter?

    I'm reading Tantra Yoga. Why does Ashby say that all the neteru/ennead company of gods came out of Ra then he says they came out of Neter? Brotha Keita didn't take to kindly to Ashby. I don't really dig him either because he uses the Greek names like he never heard of Kemet and never uses the name Auset but unabashedly calls her Isis and talks about worshipping nature as a way of worshipping the Supreme Being. I can't get ready for that. But he is one of the two authors tht you and Same recommended as the only ones qualified to espound on Kemet.
     
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    This is a good question sister River. Unless he failed to qualify that Neter meant the primal creator then this would seem really contradictory.

    The Neters are expressions of the Primal creator.
     
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    Okay I will go back to see for sure if he made that qualification.

    Yes, I understand about the Neters/Neteru.

    Now what is the difference between the primal cretor-Neter and the Supreme cretor-Nebetcher.

    I am full of questions, Brother Sek. As inquisitive as a five year old. Thanks for your patience in answering them.

    For now I must to bed and up at five fifteen in the morning. But I'll read it again tomorrow.
     
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    THe primal creator is NeBetcher, Ra is a primordial God, the same is true of Nun and Atum. But these are Neters, they are extensions or functions of Nebetcher.
     
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    Are you saying that Neter and Nebetcher are two names for the same primal cretor or are there two primal cretors?

    This is what Ashby says about Neter

    "Tantra Yoga is a system of Yoga which seeks to promote the reunion of the inndividual with the Absolute Reality, Neter (God), through the worship of nature (Neteru)" pg 65

    "Neters or God principles emanate from the one Suprem God, Pa Neter" pg 67

    And he says that Ra came out of the primal waters and started sailing the Boat of Millions of Years on which the Neters emerged.

    Hmmm Bro, I'm ready to be reunited with the Supreme Creator through acknowleging my oneness with nature but not worship nature.

    Well anyway, I can still understand the esoteric principles within these myths, And at least it doesn't contain the blood and gore of the bible and the exoteric myths don't stand in the way of the esoteric truths by pretending to be historical.
     
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    "NTR" (Neter) is the name designated for God ("Supreme Being"). "Ra" is the life force that exist in all things.

    The term "Netcher" is basically the same as "Neter", just that different egyptologists pronounce the words differently. Keep in mind that in the Mtu Ntr, there are no vowels. So, the word in the script would be written as NTR.


    I hope this helps.
     
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    For the sake of arguement let's say that Neter is another name for Nebertcher, or that Nebertcher is another name for Neter. When Ashby uses the word Neter for the primal creator, this becomes confusing, because what this seems to suggest is that the word Neteru or Neters means more than one God, when in fact it does not.

    He's correct in stating that Ra emerged from the waters of Chaos, Nun and that from Ra, the ennead emerged. In this aspect, Ra constitutes a doorway so to speak for the neteru.

    You may note that Ra emerging from the waters of chaos, by means of the the God Nefertum, can be related to the components that produce Atomic energy, namely Plutonium(water) Uranium(earth) and fire(The sun)
     
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