Black People : Another Ploy To Annihilate Black...Or A "Feel-Good" For Mixed Folks? You Decide...

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  1. spicybrown

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    Hey Sister Spicy :wave:

    I didn't watch the entire video because I found it boring and not very amusing, even though it was labeled a "comedy". I don't see the message of the video as a ploy to annihilate Black people either--even though some of the people named on the guy's list are "claimed" by Black people as Black people because one of their parents is Black. But I could see it as a way to make "light" of the subject of race and bi-racialism as well as a means to politicize it more than it already is. According to the "Standards for Reporting Race and Ethnicity" published by the U.S. OMB, there are five racial/ethnic categories including the option to select "multiracial"...Black/African American,
    Asian/Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander; American Indian/Alaskan Native, Hispanic/Latino, and White. "Other" as the man on the video referred to should now be "multiracial" with either a line for self-identification of the groups they belong to or boxes to select from. As everyone knows, this type of reporting is political and as there is no such thing as "race". But, for the purpose of reporting who people are in this country, among other reasons, this is how the government views us.
     
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    Naw don`t really see a conspiracy in it, maybe if a white person had made it then it could be seen that way but I think its just the guys way of making his point.
    some of it was kind of funny I don`t see it as being designed to destroy the black race since a movie like that isn`t likely to be that influential.
    I could though see how some people may take it as designed to destroy the black race or at least as offensive.
    A lot of the people commenting here didn`t watch the thing the whole way through so would have missed the part were he says its good to be mixed? (could be seen as at least offensive if you want to read into that him saying its better to be mixed than black) and of course the part at the end were he encourages people to go out and take up with someone of another race.
    So I can see were your option of destroying the black race came from .
    though I assume he is also encouraging white folk to do the same.
    so guess if anything he is aiming for everyone to be mixed? rather than singling the black race out?
     
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    .02...

    :wave:I'M GLAD YOU UNDERSTOOD MY STANCE ON THAT (ALTHOUGH I'M IMPARTIAL TO BOTH SIDES OF THE QUESTION) . IF IT WERE HIS INTENT TO GET THE WHITE AUDIENCE TO MIX, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD HAVE HAD PROFOUND INFLUENCE ON THEIR SUBCONSCIENCE, SINCE WHITESNESS IS DESIRED, OVERALL; AS OPPOSED TO BLACKS WHO MAY BE ITCHING TO DESERT THE SKIN THEY'RE IN:nono:

    ANYHOO....:tennis:

    PS.
    KNOWING HOW BLACKS ARE LABELED RACIALLY SENSITIVE; DO YOU REALLY THINK THE PRODUCERS WOULD ALLOW A WHITE PERSON TO CONVEY THAY TYPE OF MESSAGE?

    JUST CURIOUS:sand:
     
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    I hate to sound like I`m "dissing" on anyone but the folk who couldn`t be bothered to watch the whole video really shouldn`t have been arguing against your points since they were like lawyers going in and trying to argue a case after only having read the one page of the case files LOL.
    yep I understood you were being nutural on the issue since you put two options forward.:)
    Yep point taken about the effect being different on a black than a white auidence .
    Though I hope we have come far enough now that some mixed guy telling us how mixed and lighter is better wouldn`t have us running out to buy bleaching creams and looking for white partners.
    But yeah point taken there is still enough of that light is right attitude flying around and inferioty complexes out there that these kind of messages are different for us also due to the history of having that idea thrust upon us its just a whole lot more culturally/racially offensive.
    Still doubt it was the guys intention to make folk think along those lines even if the brash way he puts his message across can easily cause it.
    re your last question, isn`t it a self produced movie? and can`t anyone from the N.O.I the the KKK stick stuff up on you tube?
     
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    Now that's real.....

    I hate to sound like I`m "dissing" on anyone but the folk who couldn`t be bothered to watch the whole video really shouldn`t have been arguing against your points since they were like lawyers going in and trying to argue a case after only having read the one page of the case files LOL. I know, huh. That's ok, that attitude is prevalent round this joint.........:?:..........in other words: "this person is unfavorable to me, but let me delve into this thread!":drink:.........things that make you go hmmmm. LOL. But hey, I didn't produce the film...I just provided it. Anything that provokes us as a people to actually think outside of a quick thrill HAS proven UNFAVORABLE among the masses:look:
    yep I understood you were being nutural on the issue since you put two options forward.:) mos def.
    Yep point taken about the effect being different on a black than a white auidence .
    Though I hope we have come far enough now that some mixed guy telling us how mixed and lighter is better wouldn`t have us running out to buy bleaching creams and looking for white partners. That would be tragic.
    But yeah point taken there is still enough of that light is right attitude flying around and inferioty complexes out there that these kind of messages are different for us also due to the history of having that idea thrust upon us its just a whole lot more culturally/racially offensive. Yes, you are 100% correct.
    Still doubt it was the guys intention to make folk think along those lines even if the brash way he puts his message across can easily cause it.
    re your last question, isn`t it a self produced movie? and can`t anyone from the N.O.I the the KKK stick stuff up on you tube? They sure can; however, I wouldn't place the NOI in that category, since they don't have the same motive as the KKK; and the two have different objectives.

    Usually when the media or a film producers are trying to convey a racist message, they will aire snippits of their true intention. Like when they host of the movie said:"Is it good to be mixed?"

    Statments such as the above quoted will be the first to tap into the subconscience; which was the crux of my suggestive thread topic. Perhaps I should have highlighted it...but what suspense would that have left for the film


    :tennis:
     
  8. That Jones Boy

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    LOLZ well not knowing if there is any bad history between you and the two that replied I can put forward a more diplomatic option of saying maybe they didn`t want to leave you hanging with no replies but didn`t quite have enough dedication in that aim to watch the whole video the whole way through.::lol:

    So to the issue the only thing we disagree on slightly is about intent.
    I can certainly get with your line of thinking that the movie is racist and promotes a mixed and light is better type of message or at least that can be read into it.
    but this is kind of similar to the thread about the sony add yes its racist but was it so through intent or ignorance.
    There is also a debate on another forum I use about a Korean ad that features black people loving fried Chicken pretty much every African American there saw it as offensive but everyone else there including the non American black folk couldn`t see the offense because they can`t see it through our eyes and our perspective with our history.

    Now with this movie its the same thing a perspective angle you in particular as a black female can instantly see the offense in that last message since in this day and age the whole lighter is better the less black you look message is forced upon black women in America through the media much more than any other group including black men (the vast majority of black females promoted as attractive being either light skinned not particularly African in features like Beyonce Knowles or mixed females such as Halle Berry).while this isn`t so much the case were black males are concerned.
    So the that element of that message is one you quickly get enlightened and aware of.
    But it could be a perspective thing yes that message at the end can easily be read as light and mixed is better .We agree there.
    so the question is really about wether that content is there with intent or through ignorance.
    I see it it as some bi racial guy trying to promote his set and in his ignorance not really looking at what deeper meaning that could push across to black people.
    So I view it as being the same as a lot of racist content its done through ignorance lack of awareness and a lack of ability to empathize with how the message could be read by others and used by some groups with anti black agendas come to that.
    Yes I also agree with you about the big differences between N.O.I and the KKK, but I am guessing too thats a perspective thing also and those differences would be ones that the white folk at you tube wouldn see.
    to them its likely they see the two groups as similar
     
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