Black Spirituality Religion : Ancestor "Worship"

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  1. OmowaleX

    OmowaleX Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Does such a thing really exist? If so, what are some examples of this "worship"? I know "Honoring" one's ancestors does not exactly mean "worship" but to some this may actually be a religious or spiritual practice. Unless, of course one considers "GOD" to be an "Ancestor".
     
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    Music Producer Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Yes.

    Ancient African Traditional concepts.
    Dogon.
    Kemet
    Old Testament.

    Over time the concept has become confused and contorted.

    That is the portion that got confused. GOD is the Supreme Ancestor. We are made from GOD.

    The Earth was made from the Placenta of the Ogo which was made from the Placenta of Amma / GOD. We were fashioned from Amma combining earth and the bloody flesh of the first Nummo (Sacrifice) which was born from Amma.

    Our most ancient and proven of African thought and wisdom tells us that GOD is our Supreme Ancestor.
     
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    nibs Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    ancestor veneration or communication. not worship.
    ancestors are not gods, but as spirits they have powers and look after their families & descendents.
    spiritually you are of your ancestral energy, ancestors live on through their descendents. reincarnation is within ones descendents. the body is a shell for the spirit. the spiritual identity of an individual continues on after death for a while, thus, sacrifices, offerings and communication is done with the ancestors. this nourishes and strengthens that ancestral energy.
    this is a universal practice in african religions.

    the old testament forbids communicating with spirits; the old testament undermines ancestral communication.

    yahweh, el...these "gods" act more like a deified community ancestor, or a tribal deity as these hebrew gods have a "chosen" people. wouldn't the supreme ancestor be universal? why have a chosen people?

    ausar in kemet is basically a deified ancestor; understanding reincarnation, the kings would identify with ausar (their ancestor); and also by identifying with the oneness of god they would die in the right frame of mind to prevent reincarnation. the pert em heru & pyramid/coffin text spells were so the spirit of the king would see his likeness on the tombs, his possessions, and read and remember the spells written on walls and papyrus and this would aid in the spiritual journey into the afterlife and to the path that avoids return and reincarnation.

    mummification, the "spells", the union between heru & ausar, these are all the same basic spiritual principles that ancestor communication is based on. it's understanding death, the spirit, and communicating with, nourishing, and aiding the spirit during that transition.

    now we can study which religions preserve this knowledge of death and the spirit, and which undermine this knowledge.
     
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    OmowaleX Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Brother, in all respect, are you telling me that no one engages in what they themselves refer to as WORSHIP SERVICE?
     
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    nibs Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    (OmowaleX) - Brother, in all respect, are you telling me that no one engages in what they themselves refer to as WORSHIP SERVICE?

    i was speaking of the practice in general.

    it is possible to deify an ancestor, and elevate that ancestral spirit to a god status; assuming this ancestor meets a particular criteria.
    some are recognized as god's in the flesh, individuals that have attained a god consciousness that choose to incarnate in material form. these have the spirit of a god within them.

    typically, there is:
    creator
    gods
    ancestors
    humans

    and "gods" can incarnate into the material plane.
     
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    OmowaleX Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Ok brother nibs.

    Thanks for your response.

    For the most part, I agree.
     
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