Black Spirituality Religion : An Apocryphal Discourse on the Rich Man and the Poor Man...

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    "Every creature loves its like,
    and every person his neighbor;
    all living beings associate by species,
    and a man clings to one like himself.

    What fellowship has a wolf with a lamb?
    No more has a sinner with a godly man.
    What peace is there between a hyena and a dog?
    And what peace is there between a rich man and a poor man?

    Wild donkeys in the wilderness are the prey of lions;
    likewise the poor are pastures for the rich.
    Humility is an abomination to a proud man;
    likewise a poor man is an abomination to a rich one.

    When a rich man totters, he is steadied by friends,
    but when a humble man falls, he is even pushed away by friends.

    If a rich man slips, his helpers are many;
    he speaks unseemly words, and they justify him;

    If a humble man slips, they may even reproach him;
    he speaks sensibly, and receives no attention.

    When the rich man speaks, all are silent,
    and they extol to the clouds what he says.

    When the poor man speaks, they say, 'Who is this fellow?'
    And should he stumble, they even push him down."

    (Sirach 13:15-23, Books of the Apocrypha)
     
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    This scripture should have been included in the canonized Bible...
     
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    The Apocrypha contains a wealth of knowledge. The word means "hidden," and the proper term used is "The Apocrypha/Deuterocanonical Books"...("deutero" meaning "second law").

    The writings consist of 13 books: 1 & 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, an addition of the Book of Esther, additions to Daniel, including Susanna, Bel and the Dragon, The Prayer of Azariah, and the Song of the Three Young Men, The Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus, or the Wisdom of Jesus the Son of Sirach, Baruch, the Letter of Jeremiah (Baruch ch. 6), the Prayer of Manasseh, and 1 & 2 Maccabees...

    The bishops at the Nicene Council in 325 AD decided not to include the Apocrypha in the canonized Bible. I do not understand why...

    Many Bibles are now published containing the Apocrypha...
     
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    I love this one, DreamFunk...it's truth is astounding...even today!
     
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    Why did you mention DreamFunk? He hasnt even written in the thread?

    Its a good piece of literature. But it seems to imply that all wealthy men lack virture. Surely Olodumare ordains some men and women to have wealth as a part of their destiny no? If not that would mean that all money is evil and anyone that doesnt refrain from its use is just as evil.

    Seems like judeo-christians write these words to make poor people not worry about the wealthy men around them. as a form of psychological enslavement. afterall, for all the words they still hold their wealthy in the highest regard. certainly we are still propogating that a man's just rewards are in Heaven? lol - not when God gave us this experience to live fully too.
     
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    DreamFunk mentioned the Books of the Apocrypha in another thread...

    So does the Bible, for it says that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God...

    True...like the Pharaohs of ancient times and other rulers of kingdoms. However, many men and women accumulate wealth over a period of time.

    Money itself is not evil, ifasehun...because it is necessary. It is the love of money that is evil...i.e., to become obessed with it is evil, like the Jews and Caucasians, for they have made money their god...

    The Books of the Apocrypha were not written by Judeo-Christians. Like the book of Proverbs in the Bible, much of it came from the writings of ancient Egyptian priests, such as Amenemope...

    Poor people will always hold the wealthy in high regard. Like the scripture says: "When a rich man totters, he is steadied by friends..." and, "If a rich man slips, his helpers are many; he speaks unseemly words, and they justify him..." Also, "When the rich man speaks, all are silent, and they extol to the clouds what he says." We propagate that a poor man's just rewards are in Heaven. However, and according to the Bible, a rich man's just rewards are here on Earth...
     
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    "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God..."

    (Matthew 19:24)
     
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    "It is as just hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of Heaven as it is for a poor man to get out of purgatory..."

    (Finley Peter Dunne, aka "Mr. Dooley")

    :D
     
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    The Pauper's Oath

    A pauper's oath is a sworn statement or oath by a person that they are completely broke or a pauper, i.e. without any money or property.

    A person without the ability to pay court costs has the option to swear a pauper's oath in order to file a lawsuit without paying filing fees. Prisoners filing legal actions often use a pauper's oath because persons in prison are often completely without money or any means of acquiring any.

    Historically, especially during the Great Depression, the pauper's oath was required as a prerequisite for receiving welfare or other forms of government relief. One pauper's oath used when establishing indigent status under United States Federal law is as follows:

    "I do solemnly swear that I have not any property, real or personal, exceeding $20, except such as is by law exempt from being taken on civil process for debt; and that I have no property in any way conveyed or concealed, or in any way disposed of, for my future use or benefit. So help me God." (18 USC § 3569)
     
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    “When the rich make war, it's the poor that die...”

    (Jean-Paul Sartre)
     
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