All Black/African Martial Artists

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  1. MississippiRed

    MississippiRed Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    I'm interested in seeing how many Brothers on here are practicing martial artists. I'm interested in having discussions with yall on philosophy as well as practice behind not only what yall study but how yall study it.....let's say a sort of exchanging of ideas.....I know we won't agree on all aspects of life and thought but as we are Brothers I think we should make efforts to find the things we CAN agree on and discuss and exchange ideas on instead of hunting for the things we differ on ...........

    Sam....dude you really NEED to be one of the cats in here because regardless of our previous encounters I have to say I do respect you and have some questions about the arts you study........and I think we as Black men tend to take a somewhat different approach to martial arts than any other ethnic group...

    Anyway this is for advice, information, training tips, sparring tips, techniques, posting of fight dates, questions from Brothers/Sisters wanting to get into training, anything of value is welcome

    Any and all styles and philosophies welcome......I look forward to vibing with yall Brothers man for real.......Anyway since I brought it up I'll start...

    I started when I was 10 in Isshin Ryu Karate didn't last long I loved it but my Mama didn't see the value ....I did some fighting in the streets as boys will ....when I moved to the CA Bay things turned and I found my calling......even though it was a process......I next found a school down the street from my pad......it was a Hung Gar Kung Fu school......they showed me some things ..but very unrealistic training and no sparring..but they all swore they could fight.........then my eyes opened....I met a man named Keith Higa at Universal Kempo Karate and started finally training for real......in Hawaiian Kempo and Muay Thai and submission grappling.....classes were hard and contact allowed I loved it......my next step was when Keith (good teacher, bad businessman) went out of business.....I went to Rey's Muay Thai and Wing Chun Academy, ...Rey Garcia is a very good teacher and I got to try some Wing Chun .....(some of which I found very useful and some of which I found to be garbage ) ....I don't have a school home right now but am awaiting the opening of the Fairtex Mountain View facility to continue my path along with my 2 sons..... ( my daughter is starting in Capoeria(sp not sure)) .......but as soon as that opens I'm back on my path.....I love sparring in both Muay Thai , and grappling as well as some of the Filipino stick fighting I've picked up .......I still roll with my sons and work on subs....anyway that's me .....yall get at me...

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  2. Deepvoice

    Deepvoice Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Boxing is a martial art. If you include that sport that alot of blacks and Africans participate in martial arts.
     
  3. Eric Bell

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    Anybody have an in-depth understanding of Five Elements Kung Fu and/or MUAY THAI?



    EARTH,FIRE,METAL,WOOD,WATER


    PEACE!!!
     
  4. MississippiRed

    MississippiRed Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    I'm sorry I misread your question.......I'm not sure what Five Elements Kung Fu is but I've read about Five Elements Chi Kung and I know that Hung Gar has a hand set called Sup Ying Kuen (Ten Form Fist) which includes certain excercises and movements named after the Five Elements......

    As far as Muay Thai goes ask away I've been doing Muay Thai for about 11 years now........some basics......sparring is essential, cardio is essential,as far as striking goes it's the best out there........Muay Thai is essentially easy to learn and you can become proficient enough to use it fairly quickly....It is truly the art of 8 weapons and will build toughness as long as you are doing alive training and sparring........Muay is a very good art to learn and is useful not only in the ring as well in self defence situations.......

    As far as Kung Fu training goes if you're interested be sure you check out your instructor's credentials, make sure they do alive training meaning you are not always training with a compliant training partner and make sure they do full contact sparring both stand up and on the ground., not just point sparring..........Hope that helps but if you have any questions about Muay Thai or Submission Grappling/BJJ please post them ......
    As a side....do you train now ?


    MississippiRed
     
  5. I-khan

    I-khan Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    greetings red..

    I have been practicing martial arts (formally and informally) since I was very young and I can tell you that it is an intricate aspect of my life and can be applied to the world in general....as a youngster I practiced studied basic karate and wrestling with my brothers informally and we did often get hurt but that makes it more realistic..recently i just stopped taking Hap-ki-do classes for financial reasons but I continue to study/practice/train in JKD independently for now...
    my first trainer is now a boxer/martial artist in the various military structures that he attends (depends on what country he is in) and he is much older than me but has personally trained me since the age of 12...and I have seen him in numerous street fights and I can say that his street savy methods are very effective (elaboration later)...now I am just independently training in weights and speed as well as attentiveness (ie attention to surroundings)


    this is true...to me 'martial arts' is not solely on defending oneself nor plain fighting but rather a method to cultivate oneself to their maximum potential in order to make great usage of the 'life force(ie kundalini,chi,etc) in all aspects of life....all of that by using a practical method and seemingly practical purpose, which is self defense/offense.Another method of 'spiritual'
    cultivation that shows its effectiveness in self defense...


    I would like to know about BJJ/grappling.

    Have you used it in a real street fight situation?

    Is 'scientific wrestling' really able to counter BJJ in effectiveness?

    I plan on increasing my grappling skills via training in the future since it is not alloted to me now and I appreciate your willingness to answer questions since some just skim over them,etc.




    htp.......:karate: ............:karate: .........:karate:
     
  6. Omowale Jabali

    Omowale Jabali The Cosmic Journeyman PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Boxing and Tai chi probably dont qualify as martial arts but I used to be heavily involved with both (and kickboxing) about 9 years ago. Actually started Tai Chi around 1985 as a way of improving blood circulation and respiratory system. Since knee surgery in 1997 I cant really risk doing anything that might result in tearing up my patella tendons.

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  7. MississippiRed

    MississippiRed Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    What's good I-khan, glad you posted ...I know how it is to have to stop training man but the training will always be there .....the important thing is doing what you're doing.....continuing to be active and still looking at different arts......Hopefully you'll be able to get back into training more soon.

    I agree ...martial arts to me are first about fighting but it's still much more than that. ......it calms me , in the gym on the mat is my sanctuary my place to leave the world behind and do my thing ....it also holds lessons for life .....no doubt....

    As to using grappling/BJJ on the street in a self defense situation .....I can't really say I ever have.... I don't honestly recall the last time I had to fight outside the gym.....usually I don't bother folks and they don't bother me..I know that if I had to however I could use it very effectively due to the way I train.....(nothing but live training with fully resisting partners coupled with sparring and tournaments when time allows) .......

    I don't really look at my grappling as my first line of self defense though.....for that I'd probably use more Muay Thai techniques......I look at my grappling/BJJ more as a way to keep me on my feet if something happens in a club or out in public....I don't want to go to the ground in a situation like that and as such would use those arts to keep somebody from taking me down ......while using Muay Thai to end the altercation.......but if I would end up on the ground and couldn't get up then my training would allow me to dominate my opponent on the ground in fast fashion so again I could get back to my feet....

    And yeah man if you don't have ground skills get some......there's nothing worse than getting taken down and dominated and you have no skills to stop it....in the gym it's humbling out on the street it could be a very dangerous position to be in..

    As to Scientific Wrestling or Catch Wrestling compared to BJJ........it's more the person doing it than the actual style........we kind of use both......Catch Wrestling is a more aggressive style than BJJ they actively hunt for submissions whereas in my opinion with BJJ you stall your opponent out until he slips up .....also the BJJ guy is far more comfortable fighting from his back whereas the Catch Wrestler tries all he can to avoid winding up on his back...In my opinion wrestling has the better and stronger takedowns.....is it better than BJJ .....I don't think so....we use them both because it adds more to our game and makes us that much more dangerous whether we're driving the action or working from our guard......

    but again from what I've seen more important than style per se(some styles do honestly hold very little value) is how you train and the fighters mental attitude, and conditioning....

    Red
     
  8. I-khan

    I-khan Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    thanx for the advice/clarification/opinion...it is also important not to overthink things...sometimes a good ,straight kick in the b*lls will do.along with a poke in the eye,oe two.

    lastly, I am not necessarily sure if I would use martial arts in a street fight just for the sake of doing it...because if I do use it I plan on maiming (and killing if necessary) the one who starts the conflict..
     
  9. Omowale Jabali

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    Are any of you folks familiar with Brazilian Ju jitsu?
    Just asking cuz I'm thinking of taking a class.
     
  10. MississippiRed

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    No problem.....the problem with the eye poke, or groin kick is that in my experience it doesn't always work........I've seen a guy in a MMA competition almost blinded by a cat with an eyepoke but it didn't stop him and he actually won by submission.......and with a technique like an eyepoke you have to control your opponent to implement it .....

    A lot of "dirty" techniques people talk about for the most part wouldn't work in a real fight and the people the usually are proponents of such have never really got in there and fought.....to me doing MMA is right now the best way to see what will work in a fight and what won't ....granted there are rules but you can't get any closer to what a real fight is like at this point.

    it's you and your opponent and he's trying to hurt you and you're trying to hurt him......and the difference between the pressure it takes for me to submit you in an armbar and break your arm is not a lot at all.....and as far as the striking aspect .....you spar a lot fight tournaments and get used to getting hit so you know how to take the punishment as well as give it .....

    In a real fight like I said I want to end it before I get hurt and as such with my base being Muay Thai I'm going to try to end it swiftly and violently ....no kicks no knees ....more than likely if I'm close enough to the cat all he'll get are elbows to his face and head and a couple of punches .....and trust me they hurt like hell......but my point being I trust me dropping a few elbows on somebody's melon with stopping a fight more than I trust the groin kick or eye poke..........my philosophy is train fundamentals until they are reflexive , spar hard as much as possible , enter tourneys when possible and stay in shape and have a standup game as well as ground game that you Know works in a variety of situations and you'll be alright.....

    MississippiRed
     
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