Black People : AFRICANS ARE INSULTED BY AFRICAN AMERICANS CLAIMING OUR AFRICANESS???

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  1. EL PAPI LEANDO

    EL PAPI LEANDO Banned MEMBER

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    I was reading our brother's post in the "Defending Hiphop..." thread, and it got me to wondering why Continental Africans would feel so "offended" about African Americans reclaiming our heritage?

    What would make an African from the continent feel shamed and alarmed and angered and upset with African Americans for identifying with our cultural heritage? We did not arrive here in this hemisphere of our own devices, and yes, some of our ancestors played a prominent role in us being here in the first place(the shame!).

    What even makes a Continental African believe he has a monopoly, or the final say, on what is and is not, AFRICAN??? The term is all relative, because most Africans don't even refer to themselves as Africans, but as nationals or members of their ethnic group. Maybe that is the resentment, that we AFRICAN AMERICANS ARE AN AMALGAM OF many AFRICAN ETHNICITIES, and are most justified in wearing this honorable title than they are???:fyi:

    I could go on infinitely with this, but I will not waste anyone's time. I will say this, though, that I dont CARE what continental Africans think of me. That is entirely their business. I know they love me when I am contributing to their economies. I can even become an honorary village chief if I've got the right rap.
     
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    I think we should be careful about making the generalizations and recognize that every contributor here can only truly reflect what has been their own experience.

    I personally have not encountered any continental Africans who've disparaged me for embracing African heritage. I've encountered quite a few black folk who have though.

    I could just chalk it up to the continental or diasporan blacks who do this as being out of their right minds.

    But it may be bigger than that; it's a safe generalization to conclude a big chunk of us HAVE looked at the world and decided ethnicity trumps race.

    The question for me is does this strategy make sense for black people....or not.
     
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    This far i've never seen this happen
     
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    ...So long as we have Europeanized Minds, we will all be insulted by one another. To be Europeanized is like unto having no sense of Spirit or oneness.

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    The Post That Answers Itself

    Were that the case, this would have to be a prime example of why!
    Because "African Americans" won't stand up and be either/both African and American, rather than demanding to be this nothingness of "African 'toby ... my name is toby' American". Were "African Americans" willing to approach, with Humility and Respect, our former Homeland without the american arrogance in an effort to relearn stolen heritage, "African Americans" might not have this sense that Africans feel "offended".

    Possibly because "African Americans" are working so hard to be "African Americans" or "Blacks", rather than identifying with our actual cultural heritage (that which we were removed from, that which "African Americans", by design of those that first "employed" us, very vocally deny in our naming of ourselves), that it is embarrassing to witness "our" dishonoring ourselves and them?

    His BEing African, and "our" being "African American"?

    What arrogance!! How so very "amerikkkan": to dare lay claim to being "more justified" to a title that "African Americans" won't/don't use/Live!

    Much too much time already ...
    I am truly saddened that this can be said by anyone, let alone an African ... oh, wait ... the "identity" here seems to be "African American" ... well, in that case, I am not so surprised. "It's all about the benjamins", is it?

    Well, at least you were consistent; downhill from the start and at the last line you completely crashed and should be burned!!

    And you are actually asking a question? Congratulations!! Your post is the best possible demonstration supporting this "position" one could hope for!!
     
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    Mr AnAfrican, are you, yourself, a Continental African? If not, your words were exceedingly presumptuous and pretentious - as thoroughly ARROGANT as you claimed mine to be.

    Firstly, I responded to a post in another thread by a brother who said that time and again, he experienced Continental Africans telling him they were "offended" by African Americans referring to themselves as Africans, as we have "no idea" what it is to be an African. REALLY? What is it to be African, and does anyone have a monopoly on that experience? Who are they who've got this monopoly?

    But, AnAfrican, your wildest claim was that their real problem with us is the fact that we hyphenate, and claim an american heritage. This, according to you, means that we are not AFRICAN enough, that we are all about the "benjamins", and apparently, this capitalist bent makes us thoroughly repulsive to our African relatives. AnAfrican, sir, are you sure you want to stand by all of this ?

    Fact is, it is a fact that even in threads and posts I've read at this website, our money/benjamins is never rejected by Continental Africans. In fact, we are encouraged to contribute as much money to Africans and the continent as possible, and leads me to wonder who are these Africans who are so offended by our identification with our motherland.

    Brother AnAfrican, I don't think YOU have the answer - not even close. Try allowing a REAL AFrican the chance to answer my question. Your very arrogant presumptions and pontifications disqualified you before the start.
     
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    Excellent Question/Point.
     
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    silly me! one of these days i'll be strong enough not to rise to what feels like trolling. i should have remembered the thoughts i had over seeing the title of some of your other "contributions" .... guess i'll learn someday.

    btw, thanks! "exceedingly presumptuous and pretentious" quite nicely describes this and the jackie robinson insult ... and i have been ignoring your "defending hip hop" "contribution".

    sometimes i fear that the sad truth is, however, that we really have no idea what it is to be African!

    I'd submit that to be an African includes Dignity, Honor, Respect, Self Respect, Strength, Humility, Love, Spirituality. No, there is no "monopoly" on these attributes, but what with the way that they are not implemented, and sometimes even shunned, it seems as if there must be some that think there is some sort of monopoly .. but that word ("monopoly"), and the concepts behind it comes from a inflicted culture that would believe that it "owns" anything around this planet!! (i suppose that one will miss, too.)

    I'd opine that, were there such a "monopoly on the experience of being African", it would logically be those that have had experience with BEing African. I'd also opine, that there would be no barrier to Americans of African descent learning and living this experience.

    (ya know; this is a trait that i have noticed about those that have so absorbed this "western" conditioning. they seem to have this comprehension deficit such that they take what someone has said and narrows it down to a totally inconsequential misinterpretation of what was said. or could this be more properly termed "troll like behavior"??

    you focussed on "hyphenate" and missed the bit about not claiming either by trying to claim both. there is nothing "wrong" about claiming to be an American born and bred African and desiring to learn of the African heritage lost. the "problem" comes with claiming to be an "African American" and somehow having a "more justified" claim to being called an African. but, of course, if one didn't twist stuff up ...)

    nope, not what i said. standing up and claiming an "American heritage" would at least show the world that American born Africans had something to stand for. but, of course, there are those that suggest that there is no valid reason to claim an American heritage anyway. (yeah, i know; "those people define this country and say/show that we aren't part of it".) but if one won't stand for that which one busts one's hump for everyday, of what value would that one be anywhere else?
    it's only when that "capitalist bent" follows the capitalistic notion that it is as simple as flashing enough green to be recognized, or even (???)"become an honorary chief"(???) that things become repulsive. ... well, ok, repulsive to me, anyway.

    heck, everybody wants to eat, eh? and this busted mentality that is running this planet into the ground has got everybody convinced that the only way to partake of the free bounty that Mother Earth provides (all the stuff we need is right there in the ground. all the tools we need to figure out how to get it from the ground to our bellies has been given to us by Mother Earth in these bodies and brains. all the help we need to do anything is right there in all of our neighbors) is with this capitalistic structure that requires a false class system that leaves too many people in need of those dollars.

    of course they will gladly accept the dollars. it is the Heart, Honor, Humility, Respect and Dignity behind the Gift that is usually offensive. and most of the folks that haven't pulled those bits together within themselves would not be as willing to accept the Teachings/Knowledge required for a non-offensive approach to that identification.

    I am a "real African"! I am also a "real American". What I am NOT is an "African American"; these are not the "United States of Ethnic America"! When folks got here, they were Afrcan. When folks were "freed" here, they were African. So it would follow that those of us that would dare would be entitled to call ourselves Africans. This is a thing of the Heart; if the Heart ain't right, then everybody is gonna feel "insulted" by what comes out in the actions and out of the mouth.

    Welcome to the Family!! Enjoy your stay; I'll try not to respond to your "stuff". but "questions" like this just offend me enough that sometimes i forget your pardon, please.
     
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