Pan Africanism : Africans and Black-Americans

Discussion in 'Black History - Culture - Panafricanism' started by NoHate79, Sep 24, 2007.

  1. NoHate79

    NoHate79 New Member MEMBER

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    Hello brothers and sisters

    I was on an African-American website (aol.blackvoices) about 1 week ago and found a very enthralling yet vicious and spiteful thread directed towards Africans. The person who had started the thread insisted that Africans are arrogant and that they hate Black-Americans. She refused to used the term African-Americans stating that is was a "white oppressor" term and that she felt no relation or camaraderie with Africans. I tried to reach out to this lady and explain that it was not the case that all Africans are like that and that I am an African woman with many African-American friends whom I love and respect dearly. I even explained that my husband the love of my life and even my children are African American so how could I harbor any ill-feeling towards my own family. I also have other African friends all of whom do not adhere to ignorant sentiments about African-Americans.

    Growing up in Africa we were brought up with the belief that African-Americans were just like us. That they were our brothers and sisters that were stolen away from us and taken far away. I grew up idolizing various famous African-Americans and seeing so many of them do well in many sectors especially politics, entertainment and sport I had a sense of pride about this. I come from a part of Africa (Zimbabwe) where Africans were suppressed and denied many basic rights such as health care and a decent education. Fortunately, my parents were among the minority of black people who did get a chance and were successful professionals and so they were able to give me what so many of my kinsmen lacked. To see so many African-Americans do well and compare that to the poverty that I saw day-by-day, I really believed that African-Americans were the example of what was possible for all black people.

    I came to the United States quite unintentionally. My parents, siblings and I left Africa in the 90's and settled in the United Kingdom. I met my husband (African-American) who had moved to Europe with work. We fell in love, got married but once we started a family he wanted to come back home (USA) and raise the kids here, closer to his family who are just lovely and have been a tremendous help in getting me acclimatized. I had to do additional training in order to get a job (attorney) and during my one year at an institution in New York I met some wonderful African and African-American women who I am great friends with. I love these women. I love my husbands family. I love my kids who are all things American! I feel so upset at having read a post brandishing Africans and insulting us. We were referred to as apes, monkeys, primates and all manner of unmentionable things. I tried endlessly to bring an end to the feud all without success. It was very disheartening. I even offered to meet up with the woman that had started the thread seeing as she lives in New York and was willing to make a concerted effort to meet up with her and offer her reassurance that not all Africans or Immigrants of color are this way. She turned me down and then went on to personally attack me and call me a liar and all sorts. I thought about it for a few days and decided to find a positive website dedicated to black people and ask the question:

    IS THERE A SENSE OF ANGER OR UPSET TOWARDS AFRICANS AND IF THERE IS WHY IS THIS THE CASE? WHAT CAN BE DONE TO RECTIFY THE DAMAGE AND PREVENT FUTURE CLASHES BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS.



    Your input is appreciated.
     
  2. Destee

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    Sister NoHate79 ... Hello and Welcome ... :wave:

    I'm sorry to read that you've had such a bad experience on BlackVoices, but you're not alone. They have become quite known as a haven for trolls, and all kinds of negative carrying on, when it comes to Our People. It's really a shame, that they have a name that would lead folk to believe they are for us, yet when you get inside, it's the opposite. I've not visited them lately, but the experience you described above, seems to be par for the course.

    Here is a thread started some years ago, about BlackVoices ... More proof black voices is a AOL white supremacist website that needs to be shut down. They have essentially put on "black-face" to look Black, reaping the harvest of Black Internet traffic, advertising, and money, by presenting sensationalized, warped, twisted, and perverted images of us, perpetuating the stereotypes. BlackVoices has always been owned by white people, and i think it's worthy of consideration, when evaluating what's found there.

    One thing Sister, that alarmed me more than the experience you had with them, was the offer you so generously made ... to a stranger you've met on the Internet, that is saying all kinds of ugly things about you ... inviting them to meet you?! That is not good. Please be careful doing such things. Many times, folk pretend to be Black, white, sane, what have you, and you never really know what or who you're talking to. I think it's a blessing from God, that they didn't take you up on your offer.

    In regard to Sisters and Brothers fighting amongst ourselves, be it those from Africa, or those from Chicago, it happens. If i were you, i'd not let it bother me too much. I'd focus on the positive, and it seems you have been blessed with much positive in your life, so much so, that you don't really have to concern yourself with those Sisters and Brothers that are stuck where they are. I mean, if you can encourage them, give them to know that the picture isn't as bleek as they might think, then good ... but if not ... don't let it take your joy!

    Again ... Welcome Welcome Welcome !!!

    Please make yourself at home, because you are!

    Much Love and Peace.

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    Destee
     
  3. dustyelbow

    dustyelbow Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Easy answer from my PERSPECTIVE.

    RAPID CLASS MOBILITY and SECURITY.

    That is what both AFRICANS want to see for themselves. How to do that lies the MYSTERY.

    Trying to do that in the PRESENCE of EUROPEANS will not WORK.

    There is not a STABLE PATTERN showing this in the continent of AFRICA either. Or in the DIASPORA.

    So we will SEE MORE FRICTION between the GROUPS. Not less.

    I don't INTEND to APOLOGIZE for it. I didn't CREATE such an ENVIRONMENT in the FIRST PLACE. I live and help both GROUPS but each INTEND to do each other IN DESTRUCTIVELY. In all efforts its wasting time because EVERYBODY will be too WEAK for the GREATER BATTLE to COME. I have plans on LIVING.

    But I need to ask you a DOWN to EARTH QUESTION.

    There is a BLOOD BAN in the NATION for people who go the the UK and EUROPE.

    Do you know why?

    I have my own reasons but I am trying to UNDERSTAND from another PERSPECTIVE.

    Thanks.

    ALSO what do you THINK of THIS?

    French Plan to Screen DNA of Visa-Seekers Draws Anger
     
  4. Zulile

    Zulile Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    interesting - heard it in the UK a couple weeks ago:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6979138.stm

    A judge wants to include everyone who lives within and everyone who visits...

    they claim 5% of the UK population is aleady in their database - including 40% of the Black male population.

    hmmmmm
     
  5. Peachislove

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    first and foremost i am a young woman (21years old) who is just learning about my african brothers and sisters and just like the lady who started the thread, i was ignorant now i know who i am and where i came from. i feel not everyone who is African and African American has a sense of anger or feel upset towards eachother unless they are ignorant too and dont know their own culture. Some things that can change some of these feelings for the people that have them...African Americans need to get educated on their African history and culture and and africans should do the same and learn African American history and culture. We are all one when it all boils down to it. We just need to understand eachother. Im still learning about Africa and guess what.....I LOVE IT!!!
     
  6. Zulile

    Zulile Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    welcome to Destee :wave: Peaceislove.
    I'm nearing 40 and on the other side ;) only now feeling the need to learn more about my Black self - and my counterparts around the world - and learning to recognize what should hold us all together, regardless of culture/location. Quite a journey!

    :heart:
     
  7. dustyelbow

    dustyelbow Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Thanks.

    Well it's coming FAST. I just hope the BLACK WORLD is not SLEEPING. I am PLANNING (PRAYING) not going to be on someone MENU.

    I PRAY for ALL like I always DO.

    I have a GOOD IDEA of what is BEHIND IT.
     
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