Black Spirituality Religion : African roots in the Old Testament

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  1. Music Producer

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    Lev:25:10: And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.

    Lev:25:11: A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed.

    The Dogon theology is the only other theology that celebrates a Fifty to Sixty year Jubilee. This Jubilee is seen as a refreshing or renewal of all things being related to the number of years it takes Sirius B to make one full revolution around Sirius A. The Dogon theology follows the tradition of the Egyptian Mystery Schools as to no information studied or learned can be written thus this Jubelee was unrecorded from the Dogon until around 1940. In Dogon theology it is referred to as the Sigui Festival.

    In Egyptian theology the Sigui Festival some how became corrupt and was adapted to represent every 30 years of the Pharaohs reign. It was seen as a renewal of the Pharaohs power and authority and was called the Sed-Festival.

    With Dogon theology being only Oral History what white man would have had access to the information to correctly record it in the Old Testament or Holy Scriptures?
     
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    Brother Music Producer ... what are you talking about?

    The title of this thread asks white supremacy promoters something ... what i don't know (as the above text totally lost me) ... but i'm wondering ... why are you asking white supremacy supporters anything, here?

    Do you think we have some white supremacy supporters in this community?

    Who has likened themselves as such? Or have you just determined they are such?

    What are you talking about ... and why?

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    Hi Destee:

    Anyone that promotes the ideology that the Old Testament is the History and writings of Caucasians is a person that promotes White Supremacy. It is no different from images that show Jesus as a blond haired and blue eyed white man.

    Absolutely.

    Most white Supremacist support that Caucasians ruled Egypt before the Roman Occupation and several have expounded on this and promote that Caucasians ruled Egypt during Dynasty 15 and 18 which just about gives the Caucasian about 200 years of Egyptian History, Black History.

    If you suspect the name of the thread is too specific and it agitates some members then I am open to a new name.
     
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    Hi Brother Music Producer ... how can you make such a blanket statement as that? I don't agree with that, and i don't even know who wrote the Old Testament. Considering that none of us were here during its original writing, how can anyone definitively say, who wrote it? All any of us would be doing is guessing, perhaps educated guesses in some cases, but guesses nonetheless.

    I think the above is a bit antagonistic, to say the least.


    I kinda take offense to the above, on behalf of the Membership. Yes, we have issues but i'd not go so far as to say any of us intentionally, consciously, seek to promote white supremacy. For you to be so sure of such, i'd think there would be at least one Member who has made such a claim ... "i am a promoter of white supremacy" ... and i don't think you can produce that. If you can, i'll stand corrected.


    hmmmm ... i think this is a very twisted way of attempting to prove that someone is a white supremacist. First of all, Black Folk can't be white supremacists, according to Mr. Neely Fuller, Jr. In order to be a white supremacist, one must first be white. In addition, i'd guess that the majority of us here, know very little about the Dynasty 15 and 18, or any of the stuff you're talking about ... at least i don't ... which makes it krazier, that you're trying to use it as a gauge to measure anything.


    No, that's really not necessary. I'd just imagine that most won't respond because it's obvious you're not really talking to us. I don't believe any of the Sisters and Brothers here, are promoters of white supremacy (in the context in which you've presented this thread). If that's who you're directing your question to, let it stand as is, maybe one will respond.

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    It is difficult to respond to other questions you have because this thread involves an advanced study of religious ideology and if you have no concept of those studies then you would have no concept of my answers but I guarantee you several members that post in this thread are not lost as to the thread title.

    I can also tell through feeling and tonality that someone has once again complained to you about me.

    All I can say is I’m sorry.

    Dr. Fuller also explains about the black man that likes victimizing the victim because it makes them feel as if they are not a victim. He also said that black people should not gather in groups and talk to one another about anything because all we do is spread ignorance and stupidity to one another because we have been dumb every since the rise of the white man. I am simply trying to change that point of view but in doing so the ignorance must be challenged.

    Can you change the thread name to “African roots in the Old Testament”?

    Once again I am sorry if I caused a stir.
     
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    "Question for promoters of white supremacy"

    Since you have indicated you are reading "Stolen Legacy" I SEE why you would have been inclinded to title this thread as such. However, I doubt that anyone will openly address the topic as a conscious "supporter of white supremacy".

    So, the question becomes, does this website have Black people who are "supporters of white supremacy".

    I will risk being ostracized for answering YES, It most certainly does.

    In fact, it has been discussed in chat the likelihood of this website being "monitored" which could indicate that yes, there are supporters of white supremacy within our midst. Both consciously and unconsciously.

    However, I think it would be best served if some of us cut down on some of the sensationalism and deal with each other in a more respectable manner, and not be quick to view each other as collaborators with white supremacy, or as "the enemy".

    To varying degrees, all of us "support" white supremacy with our own self-destructive tendencies. I think that our concern and energy needs to be better placed upon our "support" for Black liberation, and deal with white supremacist arguments as a secondary concern. Let us begin to focus more on getting US right, from within, as a priority.

    PEACE
     
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    Well at least things are slowly moving in the needed direction. Reading Stolen Legacy is a great beginning. As for Freemasonry by Manly P. Hall ? It has it's merits with one exception. Manly is a white guy and a serious study of our esoteric philosophies will reveal that "white Freemasonry" took our ancestors concepts and flipped them around backwards. They had to do it...how else does Lucifer become the good guy, the bringer of light, of wisdom, of knowledge? How else does Ausar or Osiris become the bad guy? How else does Moses (for those who do the reseach) seek out to destroy the Master Builder?

    What was the Master builders job? To build the temple of Man for the manifestation of God through man ! This was also the building of "Solomon's Temple"...the human body ! The mysterious temple that was built without the sound of chisle or hammer. Now them suckers done lost all the knowledge cause all they can go to is 33 1/3 degrees, and yet our people and Rameses Temple was 360 degrees, lacking nothing ! Go on, read those white boys...it might help you somewhere. At least you are walking roads I done been down 15 years ago.

    Oh, and about those book prices? That 270.00 dollar book was a joke. Try some of mines....at well over 350.00 a peice !!
     
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    Darn !...did I make that sound like a bad thing ? My bad. There should be very little doubt that some of the baddest scholars out there at certain points in time were indeed "white". There were some who simply recorded what they saw and what they found. There were some who were foolish enough to try an interperate what they found and those that were wise enough to just present it as it was without interpretation...but we do not want to discredit all the old "white scholars" with a blanket statement like mines. If they were good enough for me to read, why not someone else...don't take it personal.
     
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    I am one who reads the book then I make my own conclusions. As a matter of fact I ordered a book titled, “Religion of the lower Races As illustrated by the African Bantu” written by Edwin W. Smith. This book was written in 1920s by a missionary.

    Now one might ask, why in the world would a black man order such a book?

    Well, you would be surprised at the secrets white people revealed about us when they believed we would never reach the level of reading and comprehending their language.
    They wrote manuscripts and books to each other on how to approach these lower races in Africa and who and how we existed.

    If you would notice the book “Stolen Legacy” is so acrid to them and powerful only because the author professionally sights every source of his ideals. The white man can not argue against his own works. And it is them, in their arrogance in believing the African would never reach literacy that caused them to write and record information that would have otherwise been lost.

    I began to suspect that any history that is recorded in year “BC” is actually African History and even then it begins to spill over into years “AC” in the establishment of the Roman Empire.
     
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    i always have to smile when i read the music man's posts.

    music producer:
    a) to reiterate the argument; the "old testament or holy scriptures" were compiled and edited by caucasians. the original doctrine is african. thus, there are nuggets of truth to be found within. however, we cannot trust the compilers and editors of these documents.

    b) you never responded to keita's concerns about hilkiah "finding scriptures" and jeremiah accusing this of being a work of plagiarism. the false pen of the scribe. it really undermines the idea that "the old testament or holy scriptures" is pure.

    c) kemet was not a homogenous people. it was a confederation of various tribes. these festivals were not created by a mystery god, they are man made. thus there is no reason for them to match up exactly.

    d) the dogon festival is every 60 years, not every 50 years. not every 50 to 60 years. every 60 years...so...which is corrupt? the dogon or "the old testament or holy scriptures"? because the bible says 50 years, but the dogon celebrate every 60 years.
     
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