Black People : African Americans in the Confederacy

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  1. Istari

    Istari Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Check this ILL ISH out they are feeding the black youths in the VA school system!

    By Kevin Sieff
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Wednesday, October 20, 2010; 12:53 AM

    A textbook distributed to Virginia fourth-graders says that thousands
    of African Americans fought for the South during the Civil War -- a
    claim rejected by most historians but often made by groups seeking to
    play down slavery's role as a cause of the conflict.

    The passage appears in "Our Virginia: Past and Present," which was
    distributed in the state's public elementary schools for the first
    time last month. The author, Joy Masoff, who is not a trained
    historian but has written several books, said she found the
    information about black Confederate soldiers primarily through
    Internet research, which turned up work by members of the Sons of
    Confederate Veterans.

    Scholars are nearly unanimous in calling these accounts of black
    Confederate soldiers a misrepresentation of history. Virginia
    education officials, after being told by The Washington Post of the
    issues related to the textbook, said that the vetting of the book was
    flawed and that they will contact school districts across the state to
    caution them against teaching the passage.

    "Just because a book is approved doesn't mean the Department of
    Education endorses every sentence," said spokesman Charles Pyle. He
    also called the book's assertion about black Confederate soldiers
    "outside mainstream Civil War scholarship."

    Masoff defended her work. "As controversial as it is, I stand by what
    I write," she said. "I am a fairly respected writer."

    The issues first came to light after College of William & Mary
    historian Carol Sheriff opened her daughter's copy of "Our Virginia"
    and saw the reference to black Confederate soldiers.

    "It's disconcerting that the next generation is being taught history
    based on an unfounded claim instead of accepted scholarship," Sheriff
    said. "It concerns me not just as a professional historian but as a
    parent."

    Virginia, which is preparing to mark the 150th anniversary of the
    beginning of the Civil War, has long struggled to appropriately
    commemorate its Confederate past. The debate was reinvigorated this
    spring, when Gov. Robert F. Mc¬Don¬nell (R) introduced "Confederate
    History Month" in Virginia without mentioning slavery's role in the
    Civil War. He later apologized.

    The Sons of Confederate Veterans, a group of male descendants of
    Confederate soldiers based in Columbia, Tenn., has long maintained
    that substantial numbers of black soldiers fought for the South The
    group's historian-in-chief, Charles Kelly Barrow, has written the book
    "Black Confederates."

    The Sons of Confederate Veterans also disputes the widely accepted
    conclusion that the struggle over slavery was the main cause of the
    Civil War. Instead, the group says, the war was fought "to preserve
    their homes and livelihood," according to John Sawyer, chief of staff
    of the Sons of Confederate Veterans' Army of Northern Virginia. He
    said the group was pleased that a state textbook accepted some of its
    views.

    The state's curriculum requires textbook publishers and educators to
    explore the role African Americans played in the Confederacy,
    including their work on plantations and on the sidelines of battle.
    Those standards have evolved in recent years to make lessons on the
    Civil War more inclusive in a state that is growing increasingly
    diverse.

    When Masoff began work on the textbook, she said she consulted a
    variety of sources -- history books, experts and the Internet. But
    when it came to one of the Civil War's most controversial themes --
    the role of African Americans in the Confederacy -- she relied
    primarily on an Internet search.

    The book's publisher, Five Ponds Press, based in Weston, Conn., sent a
    Post reporter three of the links Masoff found on the Internet. Each
    referred to work by Sons of the Confederate Veterans or others who
    contend that the fight over slavery was not the main cause of the
    Civil War.

    In its short lesson on the roles that whites, African Americans and
    Indians played in the Civil War, "Our Virginia" says, "Thousands of
    Southern blacks fought in the Confederate ranks, including two black
    battalions under the command of Stonewall Jackson."

    Masoff said of the assertion: "It's just one sentence. I don't want to
    ruffle any feathers. If the historians had contacted me and asked me
    to take it out, I would have."

    She added that the book was reviewed by a publisher's advisory council
    of educators and that none of the advisers objected to the textbook's
    assertion.

    Historians from across the country, however, said the sentence about
    Confederate soldiers was wrong or, at the least, overdrawn. They
    expressed concerns not only over its accuracy but over the
    implications of publishing an assertion so closely linked to
    revisionist Confederate history.

    "It's more than just an arcane, off-the-wall problem," said David
    Blight, a professor at Yale University. "This isn't just about the
    legitimacy of the Confederacy, it's about the legitimacy of the
    emancipation itself."

    Pulitzer Prize-winning historian James McPherson of Princeton
    University said, "These Confederate heritage groups have been making
    this claim for years as a way of purging their cause of its
    association with slavery."

    Masoff said one of her sources was Ervin Jordan, a University of
    Virginia historian who said he has documented evidence -- in the form
    of 19th-century newspapers and personal letters -- of some African
    Americans fighting for the Confederacy. But in an interview, Jordan
    said the account in the fourth-grade textbook went far beyond what his
    research can support.

    "There's no way of knowing that there were thousands," Jordan said.
    "And the claim about Jackson is totally false. I don't know where that
    came from."

    The book also survived the Education Department's vetting and was
    ruled "accurate and unbiased" by a committee of content specialists
    and teachers. Five Ponds Press has published 14 books that are used in
    the Virginia public school system, all of them written by Masoff.

    Masoff also wrote "Oh Yuck! The Encyclopedia of Everything Nasty" and
    "Oh Yikes! History's Grossest Moments."
     
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    This is another perfect example of determinative racism perpetuated still within the amerikkkan societal structure--to undermine the fundamental growth of OUR People.

    By default however--another ordinance to be added to the arsenal of Conscious Afrikan Warriors-- undeterred by psychotic european assertion.

    Very interesting.
     
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    "The Sons of Confederate Veterans also disputes the widely accepted
    conclusion that the struggle over slavery was the main cause of the
    Civil War. Instead, the group says, the war was fought "to preserve
    their homes and livelihood,"
    according to John Sawyer, chief of staff
    of the Sons of Confederate Veterans' Army of Northern Virginia."

    yeah, and slavery was ur livelihood. smh

    My hs history book also said that some slaves fought on the side of the confederacy in exchange for "freedom". But since they were slaves they were probably forced to fight.

    But I wouldn't be surprised if some did volunteer; you have always had good negroes willing to risk it all for yt.
     
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    african americans in...

    i too read this article and was not surprised,i'm sure that more than a few-butlers-carriage drivers-stable boys fought for the south if for no other reason that being a house negro was all they knew and they didn't want to lose what little they had.
     
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    of course their were African confederates..

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    of course their were African confederates..

    But they fought under the threat of death just like their brothers in the
    north. Either way, it was a chance to kill white people and it must have
    felt good for a person stripped of everything a man could be stripped of
    by white people.

    So, let Virginia tell that story to the kids.. it will put the betrayal of the
    Hayes Tilden compromise and the rise and brutality of the KKK and Jim
    Crow laws all in their proper evil places.. History is rewritten every 20
    years or so.. right now historians are figuring new ways to rationalize
    their history into something they can be proud of. And our existence and
    history in this country is a problem for every generation of historians. The
    Native American problem was dealt with by extermination. So, you seldom
    see anything about the brutal treatment of the Native Americans anymore..
    their leadership has been bought off with gambling revenues so, now the
    history books
    can write in a happy capitalist ending to their plight. And they can tell the
    little Native American kids that they are better off because of the white
    man. And those kids, not understanding context, will agree.. that's it..
    transformation complete. And the same thing is planned for us.

    anyway..

    This is a good topic.. I think we need a Context Commission whose mission
    is to combat misinformation by publishing rebuttals to the material our
    children are required to read in schools.. and distributing that information
    at no cost to black families. But that would probably be comproised by the
    Toms and sold to white folks too..
     
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    also.. never forget that the plantations in the south were financed by banks
    in the north.. and when those loans were defaulted on and those plantations
    assets were sold, our people were on that balance sheet too.. Americas
    financial health as a nation was wrapped up in Slavery.. the were all co-conspirators..
    Neither side was for us. And everybody that fought for either side was mislead.
     
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    So, and enslaved African man with family and friends that he cared for..
    with children.. is a uncle Tom because he picked up a rifle and pointed it
    where his captor told him?

    That sounds an awful lot like blaming the victim. We really have to work hard
    to put these things into a realistic context. There historical events unfolded
    one day at a time. And they unfolded in very real ways for very real people
    with very real predicaments. We can't now, sweep down with our words and
    chalk them up as Toms because they did what they had to do to survive
    the tyranny of their captors.. Did you ever think about what role the enslaved
    women and children played in the whole drama? context is everything..
    really.
     
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    In the Spirit of Sankofa and Peace and Love!

    Bingo!...Really hard hitting stuff brother, for real. You got me falling out of my chair and ROFL, at the sharp wisdom, pinpointing the issues...






     
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    when i say i[house negro]i'm not talking in terms of uncle toms,i'm speaking of house servants some of whom actually loved thier masters,and as for this[african man]stuff remember we were over two hundred years removed from africa at that point and not every slave had nat turner's courage let's be for real.
     
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