Pan Africanism : Africa Should Consider China Example ?

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  1. Destee

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    China sets out foreign restrictions

    November 8, 2007 - 7:49AM

    China issued on Wednesday a new set of guidelines for foreign direct investment, detailing sectors in which it will either promote, restrict or ban foreign investment.

    The guidelines, which take effect on December 1, update the existing set, issued in late 2004.

    For example, while China will now bar foreigners from projects mining rare minerals or those that are non-renewable, it will continue to encourage them to put money into difficult mines or those in under-invested areas.

    Foreigners will also be prohibited from investing in small and mid-sized refineries.

    Foreign firms will now be banned from building or managing golf courses; in the past, they fell into the restricted category.

    The new regulations also state that foreign companies will be banned from investing in news websites, internet audio-visual services and web cafes.


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  2. Zulile

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    China is potent indeed. on all counts. e.g. they no longer allow "overweight" people to adopt their orphans, most chinese born in the diaspora attend chinese school from day one - but it is too late to take them as an example. They are taking over, simply put, and with ease.

    Not a member of the G8, they have embraced, and prepared themselves very well for their "go global" policy. they are picking up all the "high risk" investments in Africa, pushing out huge loans as if they free, opening multinational corps from Cape To Cairo - taking thousands of African students to China to study.. they are seriously on a mission to control resources to support their own nation.

    But is China doing anything that the euro hasnt done already?

    sigh.

    I dont know if Africa should consider the Chinese as an example. I dont know enough about Chinese history to understand what they went through, as a people, to get the the point where they are powerful enough to turn their noses up at the rest of the world. I think of Mugabe, who is considered a madman - but if he kept his borders closed for a hundred+ years, would Zimbabwe become the most self-sufficient, powerful country in Africa?

    If there is going to be any African unity in the future, it will need to be done by force - there are too many fingers in the pot giving noone time to *think* let alone develop a "unified mindset" as an African Continental - and that is what the Chinese have - or at least those that are allowed to leave. If I knew how they got it, then I'd be able to answer your question :)

    sigh... the magnitude of it all. I still have so much to learn.
     
  3. Destee

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    Sister Zulile ... what you've shared makes so much sense.

    I guess our Beloved Africa has got so many folk in her business (China included), it's not the same as China.

    It's logical that one would not let another come in their home, and take their most valued possessions, or put a stop to it asap.

    This may be some wishful (and late) thinking on my part.

    Thanks for sharing.

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  4. IntelligentNoir

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    I have to agree with Zulile here. We know too little about China's past to say if the route they have chosen would best suit our people. Albeit, I have toa dmit I admire how they have manuevered whereas things are carried out under their terms and their terms alone. I also I admire that while so many cultures around the world arre losing themselves to Europenized culture and way of think that they have manage to hold on to their culture and individuality. I do however, think this is something to be watched to see how it plays out in the end. Will their efforts backfire or is this just what the doctor ordered.
     
  5. Sun Ship

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    I have sort of consumed some of China’s history over the years, but never really focused on a comparative analysis of China and Africa.

    As you know, China has had a long history of being raped and devastated by everyone from the Mongols, to the Japanese, to the British. And remember, Mao was also viewed as a madman and tyrant by the west, and socialism as well as nationalism was akin to “socio-political demonism”. And as you know, even until this day since the communist revolution, China has played hardball internally, and with the rest of the world to keep and protect its focus, as it attempted to keep its goals on point without a lot of cultural, political, or ideological diversity. Its obvious China’s leaders believed, “they had to do what they had to do” to make it an independent superpower, both economically and militarily and it looks like it has paid off.

    Now, is all well in China when we consider the lives of the average Chinese citizen? I guess the Chinese would say, “related to what” historically, when one thinks about what foreign intervention had done to this country when it brought in “foreign ideas” that were exercised at the expense and exploitation of the Chinese.

    I think if we look closer at China’s various dynastic periods, and to what degree did some of it’s past cultural, linguistic, and philosophical congruency in various chapters of it’s development help give the Chinese a more collective mindset, we may start to see certain underlining socio-constructs that were later workable and useful for China as a whole, that have never been present in the broader African continent. With that said, I do think it’s healthy to make a probing and in-depth critique of China, and even India to see how national interest can be solidified on such a grand scale, and what can we learn in part from their newfound economic growth, for these countries were also colonized or subjugated by European powers much like the African continent.


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  6. Destee

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    Thanks Sister IntelligentNoir and Brother Sun Ship for sharing. I don't really know a lot about China.

    Brother Sun Ship, it's rather encouraging to read though, that they've experienced some of the same ills from outsiders, that Africa has, and overcome them. While they may not be able to be mirrored exactly, there may be something there she can use.

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  7. Sun Ship

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    Sister Destee, I think Zullie makes a “sad but possibly true” point when she said, “If there is going to be any African unity in the future, it will need to be done by force”

    Throughout history and even African history the initial underlying unifying apparatuses for most dynasties, empires, and kingdoms are force, power, and warfare. It’s easy to romanticize great civilizations after the fact, but most of us are in denial when it comes to what really kept most powers in power for so long historically, and kept them relativity civil long enough for growth, higher learning, and advancement.

    There is an oppressive and brutal side to the growth of China as an independent world power (just as it is in America). China not only had a “revolution” it had what was deemed a “cultural revolution”. Like I said, it looks good to progressive thinkers standing on the shores of America, but how would our people in the continent, or even our own communities’ deal with the use of uncompromising military and political forces from within telling us how to think, work, and dress (for the good of the people)?

    I think it’s interesting that we find orthodox religionist such as some Muslims, and some Christian groups to be so controlling and non-democratic when they tell women they can’t wear certain clothes, or when men are severely punished or ostracized for the most mundane of crimes, and then we look at China who execute criminals for offenses that would usually give you some jail time if not probation in the west, and see only the fact that they are doing so well on an international level.

    This is the age old question that cannot be answered, but is usually only enforced for the betterment of a whole culture and generation of people, and that is, can we give up our vices, and self-democratization if that would stop or remove exploitation, poverty, crime, rape, drug dealing, drug abuse, the welfare state, single motherhood, homelessness, and murder (especially of our children)? For no matter how much we care, we as a people do not give up too much of anything too easily.

    There will always be a thin-line between strong leadership and tyranny, just like there is between a controlling cult and a very progressively orthodox religion.

    This goes back thousands of years and it’s hard to see it ever really changing anytime soon.


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  8. Omowale Jabali

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    The Lesser of Two Evils...

    Whenever this issue of China and Africa is presented I fight to keep myself grounded in the teachings of Dr. Nkrumah and Malcolm X.

    What this boils down to is China's historical role in being in the forefront of the Non-Aligned Movement which supported and quickened the advance of the African Liberation Movement and the anti-apartheid struggle. China gave direct, material aid to the cause of African Independence and boycotted Israel and South Africa. Thus, to equate China the same as the euros is completely an a-historical blunder.

    As a reminder I have one word:

    BANDUNG.

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  9. Omowale Jabali

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    Excellent points...


    However,

    I will stretch this a bit and say not only does Africa need to be united by FORCE but the Chinese Revolutionary Model serves as the BEST Example because it SURVIVED attacks from the Western powers and also outlasted the Soviet bloc which disintegrated due to reformist capitulation to western capital from within.

    The Chinese Revolution purged the indigenous national bourgeoisie, something Nkrumah said was necessary over 40 years ago before he was overthrown. This national bourgeoisie has become more intrenched since the collapse of the Soviet bloc beginning in 1987 and reactionary and anti-socialist Black bourgeoisie have acted in their own petty interests to allow the further entrenchment of western capital.

    We need to stop looking at this from a "racialist" perspective which views all non-Black people as enemies.

    If we dont, Africa will go down the dumpster along with the declining dollar, as it dependence on western capital will lead to further economic crisis as that dollar rapidly is decreasing in value in relation to other international markets. Namely, the Chinese and India.

    I watch financial markets daily and two years ago owned property in 5 states and also held stock in about 30 different corporations. Over the last two years I have been liquidating and going "cash and carry". I recently sold my remaining stock in Sirius and when I was in an Ameritrade office yesterday I was also watching the market reverse to losses similar to August of 2002. I am fortunate I got out of what I could when I did even though, like many others, I am going backrupt because of high consumer debt and low wages since white corporate america wont employ me full time. And black corporate america wont employ me at all. What I have left is personal property an an undervalued, overassessed home which has actually depreciated in value and losing equity because comps in the area have undersold the market.

    Now, I know there are others worse off than me who are already homeless, disabled, bankrupt, forclosed, tax-liened, an debt-collected while I am on the brink. Who is coming to the rescue of Black people here in this economic crisis?

    NO ONE.

    Who is coming to the rescue of Black people in the economic crisis in Africa?

    I will leave others to ponder and answer this question on your own. But im sure that the answer is NOT the "dollar".

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  10. kemetkind

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    I've had similar musings myself. We discussed this a bit last year in this thread.
     
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