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CAN ALLAH BE SEEN?


A chapter from
ALLAH THE ORIGINAL MAN
by Mr. TrueIslam


There are a few verses is the Qur’an which modern exegesis presents as the strongest proof of the non-anthropomorphic, transcendental nature of Allah. Upon closer examination, however, these verses prove not to be anti-anthropomorphic at all. Most of them, when understood in their original context, could just as easily be cited as evidence of an anthropomorphic God. The first is found in Sura 2:3 where Allah is referred to as Ak-Ghayb. Many Muslim writers today translate the word as “Unseen,” but this not an accurate rending. The Arabic word literally means “that which has been concealed, secret” or “absent” from the verb ghaba “to withdraw ones presence from.” This word is similar to the Greek Aoratos and does not mean physical invisibility but unseen due location or distance-absent from view. It is the opposite of As-Shadid, “present.” In theological matters, the term ghayb had a very anthropomorphic connotation. The Shia use this term in reference to their last Imam, Muhammad al-Mahdi, who disappeared in 873. He is said to have not died but gone into ghayba, “occultation” or “hiding.”


The second standard “anti-anthropomorphic” verse cited by modern Muslim exegetes is 6:104, which reads, “Vision comprehends Him not (la tudrikuha al-absar) and he comprehends all vision. Though this verse is usually cited as proof that God cannot be seen with the eyes, the actual Arabic word proves otherwise. It is reported that Abd’ Allah b. Abbas (d.68 the cousin of the Prophet and one of the first and most famed mufasirrun (Quar’anic exegete) was informing the people one day of their seeing Allah in the Hereafter when a questioner opposed him by citing this verse. Ibn Abbas answered, “Do not you see the sky?” The questioner responded “yes.” Ibn Abbas then answered in the negative, Ibn Abbas explained to him that the denial of perception (idrak) does not necessitate the denial of seeing (ru’ya). The denial of idrak is a denial of seeing a thing in its totality, where as a mere seeing may apply to seeing it but not totally perceiving His Majesty and Power.

Another verse usually adduced by anti-anthropomorphist Muslims to deny that Allah can be seen is Al-Araf 7:143

· And when Moses came to our appointed meeting place and his Lord spoke to him, he said “My Lord Show me yourself so that I may gaze upon you. He replied: You will never see me, but look at the mountain. If it remains in its place you will be able to see me.” When his Lord revealed His glory to the mountain, it was crushed into dust, and Moses fell down unconscious. When he regained his consciousness he said: “Glory be unto you! I turn to you repentant and I am the first of the true believers.”

Again to the early Sunnites this verse in no way implied that Allah “could not” be seen. Ibn Hanbal argued in his Ar-Radd ala z-Zanadiqa wa-l Jahmiyya (The Refutation of the Zanadiqa and Jahmiyya):

· An exposition of the denial by the Jahmiyya of Allah’s words: “On that day shall faces beam with light, looking at their Lord” (75:22). We asked them (Jahmiyya): “Why do you deny that those in Paradise will look at their lord?” They replied: “It is not proper for anyone to look at his Lord: a thing looked at is passable and qualifiable; things are only seen by refraction”…But the Prophet, who knew what Allah meant, said: “You will surly see your Lord.” And Allah said to Moses,”Thou shalt not see me,” but he did not say, “I shall not be seen.” Who then of the two is more deservedly followed: the Prophet who said, “You shall surly see your Lord,” or Jahm who said, “You shall not see your Lord?”




If you take one step towards Him, He runs 2 you!
 
Aqil said:
Because He is the Creator of the Universe and all that is contained therein.

Sounds nice, but how do you worship a mystery? Why not be agnostic if God is a mystery?

Aqil said:
There isn't that much difference...:)

Well, there is a difference, you will agree with that won't you? You seem to be thriving on pointing out differences between people who all call themselves muslims and strive to follow Islam. Is there not more commonality between muslims than there is between Ancient Egyptian theology and modern Islam?

If you want to be the broker of peace and understanding between seemingly divergent theologies, then start with those within our own community that exist here and now.
 
The problem with making peace between the main religions is people don’t follow the advice of their own religion. Every Muslim on earth would agree that the GOD found in the Old Testament is Allah. Every Servant of Jesus would agree that the Father of Jesus is the GOD found in the Old Testament. The Koran advises one to follow Allah, the New Testament advises one to follow the Father, and so what’s the problem?

The Truth is a true Holy Book of Divinity must have within it the ability to distinguish between and separate good and evil people and must establish a faith for evil people upon rejection of GOD.

The people that hold up the Koran but yet reject the GOD of the Old Testament are evil people. The people that hold up the New Testament but yet reject the GOD of the Old Testament are evil people.

A true Holy Book advises you to follow GOD but if you reject that advice then that same book gives you a faith to substitute your disobedient or rejection of GOD. Those that reject GOD are evil in nature or confused of the Truth.

The Creed is:
Follow GOD but if you reject GOD then follow “this”.

“This” is usually a manifestation of a Host of Heaven such as Gabriel, Jesus, Mohamed or an Apostle, not GOD.

Evil people must also have a religion and when you truly study it you will find it is not based upon the Specific Words and Doctrine of GOD except in an evil light.

All the people that have Truly discovered GOD can do is setback and wait for most of the evil people to consume themselves.

Isa:8:17: And I will wait upon the LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for Him.

That is what the main religious doctrines advise all of us to do, but most of us are not doing it, we are to busy making up excuses and reasons to reject GOD; which is the First Sin.
 
Aqil said:
Salaam aqi:

The Holy Qur'an says:

“It is Allah who is God in Heaven and God on Earth, and He is full of wisdom and knowledge.” (Sura 43:84)

Allah (God), according to the religion of Islam, is the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth. He is in total charge of the entire creation. He has no beginning or ending. He was never born and will never die. He has always been in existence. Allah (God) is not a physical being. The Qur’an says, “No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision and He is above total comprehension, yet He is well acquainted with all things.” The Qur’an also states: “Say He is Allah, the one and only; God the eternal, absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; and there is none like unto Him.” (Sura 112)

The religion of Islam teaches that Allah (God) is one and He has no sons or daughters. He is neither male nor female. He is the source of human life and gender. He just says, “Be” and it is. Allah (God) is responsible for the creation of every human being. He created all colors and made our features beautiful...

The concept of God in the religion of Islam is an extremely vast and important concept. Perhaps the most important aspect of Islam is the belief in the Oneness (tauhid) of God.

This is the subject matter of, this thread...

according to the Bible, God has a form..

Had nothing to do w/the Qur'an.

But,
 
Aqil said:
Salaam aqi:

The Holy Qur'an says:

“It is Allah who is God in Heaven and God on Earth, and He is full of wisdom and knowledge.” (Sura 43:84)

Allah (God), according to the religion of Islam, is the Creator of the Heavens and the Earth. He is in total charge of the entire creation. He has no beginning or ending. He was never born and will never die. He has always been in existence. Allah (God) is not a physical being. The Qur’an says, “No vision can grasp Him, but His grasp is over all vision and He is above total comprehension, yet He is well acquainted with all things.” The Qur’an also states: “Say He is Allah, the one and only; God the eternal, absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; and there is none like unto Him.” (Sura 112)

The religion of Islam teaches that Allah (God) is one and He has no sons or daughters. He is neither male nor female. He is the source of human life and gender. He just says, “Be” and it is. Allah (God) is responsible for the creation of every human being. He created all colors and made our features beautiful...

The concept of God in the religion of Islam is an extremely vast and important concept. Perhaps the most important aspect of Islam is the belief in the Oneness (tauhid) of God.

This is the subject matter of, this thread...

according to the Bible, God has a form..

Had nothing to do w/the Qur'an.

But, since you bring it up, please, read the essay, "Can AAlah be seen?", above.
 

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