Black Christians : Abraham's Father's Land also Known as...

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  1. Chevron Dove

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    The Rift Between Abraham & His Father~
    His Mother, What Was Her Name? [II]

    And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran. GENESIS 12: 3-4.​

    Haran~ A City By the Sea, --
    The Land of Abraham’s father also known as Mitanni
    --

    It was a shock when I first realized that the very city Terah set up in Assyria and named after his son, Haran, later became known as, none other than, Mitanni! The Mitannians [Mit-Tim; Timens] are predominantly a tall white people of Indo-European [& Indo-Aryan descent], as the Egyptians and many other civilizations noted. It was this and so many other facts that brought to light the very conflict that existed between Abram and his father, and the very reason why the Creator God separated Abraham from his father permanently. Terah elevated White people and bonded them, so of course, they migrated from the east and north, and obviously, they flocked to his land to find refuge. Therefore, after being under the influence of Terah [Thara] for 75 years, finally Abram packed up all that he had and left Assyria.

    For many years prior to his exit he already knew deep down inside that he was suppose to break away from his father, however it took him that long until he became an old man before he faced the reality of what kind of a man Terah professed to be on this earth. Abram [Abraham] did not receive any inheritance in regards to land byway of his father, however, Thara saw fit to name his land after his dead son, Haran[ Thara & Haran]. Furthermore, the Phonetic script of his name as ‘Thara’ also noted in the Bible reveals why Thara [Terah] had more respect for his sons Haran and Nahor [Na-Hor] than he did for his son Abram. Terah, as did his father before him, had conformed to the ways of the eastern world in that they defined themselves byway of a Color Caste System, however, Terah had no problem bonding with a woman in Ur of the Chaldees that gave birth to Abram. After the collapse of Black Babylon too, the Assyrians spread their domain and control over and into Babylon and therefore, the original Black Babylonians of Cush Ham were in a continual struggle against the kind of people that benefited from their suppression. Thus Abram [Abraham] was linked to his origins in Chaldea and amazingly, even though the son of the deceased man, Haran, named Lot had lived in the very land named after his own father for years, for some reason when his uncle Abram finally made the move to leave Assyria, so did he! Lot packed up his possessions and left with him! Based upon my research and in regards to the Bible timeline, there was a specific reason that caused Abraham [Abram] and Lot to become compelled to separate from the Assyrians and their father, and it had something to do with the very man of their origins, their great father Shem of whom was still alive at this time. The Black Greeks were up in arms about something. Most Bible scholars completely side step these crucial points about this time of the life of Abraham and as a result confusion abounds. Nevertheless Abraham was finally moved to leave off from his father after many years of knowing what he was told by God. Now some historians have incorrectly written that Terah died before Abraham left but this would not be truth. For many, many, more years after Abraham left, his life was contemporary to Terah’s!

    After Abraham left Assyria, he actually lived for another one hundred (100) years! He lived more years separated from his father’s lifestyle than he did in his beginnings, but he also developed another unique way of life. Again, for most of his entire 100 years in ‘the Middle East’, both Abraham and his father were alive! And Abraham’s family may have even visited Assyria at times over the course of time until Abraham revealed that the Creator drew the line. Most scholars vary on the actual time span that Terah lived after Abraham left off from him and this was due to how Moses sealed up this part of the holy scriptures. Moses writes that Terah was Seventy (70) years old and by that time he had three sons. It does not state that Terah had Abram when he was seventy years old. But, based upon a misinterpretation of this scripture, some say that Terah lived for about sixty years after Abram left Assyria, but due to the Star of Bethlehem and in consideration of other presented truths, we now can be exact.

    When we base the birth of Terah on his forefathers, there would be no way that Terah could have had Abraham at the age of Seventy and be in agreement with all of the scriptures. Abraham could not have been born, married and left out of Black Babylon all at the same time when Terah was 70 years old, therefore when the birth and death dates of Terah are plotted along with other detailed dates, it becomes obvious that Abraham was born when Terah was forty (40) years old and thirty years later, Abraham was married and left out of Black Babylon with his father to go live in Assyria until he was 75 years old. Therefore and after Abraham left Assyria, they both lived on earth in different civilizations for the next ninety (90) years! Terah only died ten (10) years prior to Abraham’s death. That would mean that Abraham was 165 years old when Terah died, therefore all of his sons born to him were already full grown men by this time and they would have been fully aware of the significant reason why there was a division that existed between Abraham and Terah. So by the time that Joseph became apart of Egyptian captivity, the Egyptians were fully aware of the division that did occur between the Assyrians in the north and the Syrians in the south of the country of Assyria, yet and still they catered to the Assyrians and exploited the Syrians to whom Joseph was linked.

    Joseph’s paternal Great-grandfather was Abraham and his maternal grandfather was Laban, an Heberite of whom lived and bonded with the Syrians [Southern Assyria] as was the custom. The Bible also states that it was his mother, Rachel, of whom named him Joseph and this name goes along with the very early history of the kind of people that originally settled in this land of Syria during the time when Black people concentrated in that region even before it became overwhelmed with the dominant presence of Black Celts. Shockingly, the very name of Joseph connects his mother to the original descendants of Ham and in Egypt, and links to the very reason why Joseph became ‘the Chosen One’ of Israel. It is a great mystery of God that has unfolded over time with regards to the very reason why Abram’s name was changed to ‘AbraHam’ and why even after hundreds and hundreds of years later, the father of Jesus was also named ‘Joseph’ and was told by the angel to go down into Egypt to live for a time.

    The name of Joseph carries many meanings but one major meaning captures part of the wonders of God that revolves around the descendants of Ham. The name of ‘Joseph’ means as Rachel said, ‘adding’ [building, Great Builder, Carpenter]. And the father of Jesus, Joseph, was a carpenter by trade. This was the very name of Mizraim [Tepy-aa or, Inyotef; var. ‘Injotef’, ‘Inyoteph’, ‘Intef’…‘Josef’, ‘Yosef’], the descendant of Ham that actually inherited the land of Egypt before the Egyptians came and suppressed his original descendants and dominated the land. This was the very name of the 11th Dynasty kings that came up from the priesthood of Thebes in Upper Egypt and thereabouts and that organized around Montuhotep II around the very same time that Noah came out of his tent and pronounced blessings and curses on the world. This was also the very same time period that Black Babylon fell and Terah fled out of that land. So by the time that the Egyptians welcomed the Assyrians, Mitannians, Hyksos-Hurrians and others into Egypt, they had no regards for the ancient history of the land of Kemet, and, the name of Joseph came to mean nothing to them. They layered the land with their idols and traditions and covered up incredible history that not only covers that part of North Africa but extends up into and beyond ‘the Middle East’ way up into present day Turkey, Europe and elsewhere, history that belongs to the earliest Black Hamitic peoples, and the kind of people that still remained in these regions for thousands of years afterwards and that still identified with their original names. This was part of the reasons why Rachel named her son ‘Joseph’. It was apart of her origins. And the very name of ‘Mizraim’, his spiritual name, also remains apart of the history of his descendants such as in the name ‘Zimri’ [MIZ-ZIM-Ri; reverse script; also ZIMBABWE…].

    By the time that the Egyptians gave Joseph Coptic names and Phoenician name titles, they were aware of what they were doing in covering up Joseph’s ethnicity and his link to the indigenous people in the land that they had so suppressed. After Abraham and by the time that Joseph became apart of Egypt, the division between the kind of Semetic people like the Assyrians and the Hebers like Terah, against certain Black Greeks were already made. And the Egyptians soon began to cater to these Assyrians and the Mitannians that flocked to Terah’s city. In fact, in many secular books on Egypt, the Egyptians of the Middle Kingdom knew Mitanni to be known as ‘Naharin’, and therefore linked Joseph to this city despite the fact that Joseph knew nothing of that culture save what he had heard from his father. This was why many years later, father Israel blessed Joseph’s second born son, Ephraim, to carry on the blessing of Abraham and Ham, because like his father Joseph, Ephraim bonded with an indigenous woman of the land and continued to retain the inheritance and link to Tepy-aa [Yosef: Jos-EPH & EPHraim]. This was why the Creator God put a division between Terah and Abram. This was what Stephen, the Greek Hebrew, revealed. Many lighter skinned Semites had already made a negative impact on Black people as they opened the flood gates and welcomed the Asiatics from the east into the Black lands. They totally abused their inheritance as the priesthood of Shem and allowed the indigenous people in the west to become exploited byway of White Supremacist movements. This was not the purpose of the Creator God for the priesthood of Shem, and for this reason, Abraham broke off from his father and left the land of Haran in Assyria. And by the time that Moses came along, the Northwest region of Assyria and elsewhere was dominated by the Mitannians, Hitittes and other foreigners in the land.

    Mitanni, the land of Terah~ Abraham’s father

    *Haran---Charran---Naharin---Mitanni---Turkey [Cilicia, Tarsus…]---Carchemish--- ​

    That region of Abraham’s father’s land in Northwest Syria [Assyria] was a major seaport city and over the course of thousands of years it went through several name changes. But because it was such a famous city, all of the names that came to identify this region were well known throughout the Old World. It was in a strategic region that kind of correlates to our gulf region here in the Mississippi Delta on the Gulf of Mexico. It was a region in Assyria that bordered Turkey [Anatolia] to the north of it. Therefore, it became a rich city because of the trade that it benefited from that came from both the seaports and from overland caravan trade routes headed to and from Turkey. Today, it would not register under the search word under the country of Assyria or North Syria, as this region and parts of Black Babylon have been changed. Today, it has been changed to be apart of Turkey. For this reason most historians present confusion as they now state, without explanation, that Abraham’s birthplace was in ‘ancient Turkey’ of which contradicts many secular books as well as the Bible of which states that Abraham was born in Ur of the Chaldees [Black Babylon]. Interestingly, about 2000 years later after Abraham left that region in Mesopotamia of both Chaldea and of Mitanni [Haran], Haran became the region, the very stumping grounds of none other than, Paul-the-Apostle!

    So under the definition of Southern Turkey, in an amazing way, it reconnects really ancient history about the earliest kind of Black Greeks and Chaldaeans who lived in that land area and dominated it long before the Romans, the Assyrians or even Terah ever came, and may help to understand how certain early Black Kemet people are linked to both the countries of Turkey and North Africa. When that region of Haran [Mitanni] became known as Cilicia during the lifetime of Paul, in an ironic and amazing way, it went right back to the very beginning of time and the later time of Neo-Babylonia when the earliest Black Kemet people dominated that region. That word ‘Cilicia’ means the presence of ‘Cush Ham’ and their influence stretches all the way across the waters into Europe and North Africa and into the ancient Greek civilizations, revealing the incredible history of the early Black Greeks [Dorian, Spartans] of which has been so conveniently covered up. History had repeated itself and at the time of Paul, this region once known as Mitanni, was once again dominated by the presence of many, many Black people!

    The Romans caused the term ‘Pirates’ to become common in that region of Turkey and North Africa and really, they only revived another ancient term for the earliest kinds of indigenous people of Kemet that had dominated the regions of Turkey, ‘the Middle East’, and North Africa long before they, the Celts [Amalek] and other Asiatics had came and gotten control of the western lands of Ham [Kemet]. And in order to better understand how the indigenous people of the land became subdued, especially in North Africa where it became a FOOTHOLD for the Roman Empire system, it becomes crucial to understand too, the impact that the early Black Greeks made and how they became apart of the priesthoods of Ham long before the time of even Abraham. Cont.


    Naharin, …transliteration nhrn, was the Ancient Egyptian term for the kingdom of Mitanni[1] during the New Kingdom period of the 18th Dynasty….would eventually make peace with the Mitannians.[5] Henceforth, relations between Egypt and Naharin (Mitanni) were peaceful with much diplomatic gift giving according to the correspondence of the Amarna Letters. The military annals of pharaoh Thutmose III refer to Naharin in explicit terms…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naharin

    But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people.
    ACTS 21:39.​

    And Abraham said unto him, Beware thou that thou bring not my son thither again. The LORD God of heaven, which took me from my father's house, and from the land of my kindred, …he shall send his angel before thee, and thou shalt take a wife unto my son from thence….only bring not my son thither again. And the servant put his hand under the thigh of Abraham his master, and sware to him concerning that matter. And the servant took ten camels of the camels of his master, and departed; …and he arose, and went to Mesopotamia, unto the city of Nahor. GENESIS 24: 6- 10.​
     
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    Myths, Hypotheses and Facts

    Concerning the Origin of Peoples

    Appendix

    Names, Languages and Ethnicity


    Many divergences exist among scholars concerning the ethnic and linguistic classification of ancient peoples, and often apparent name similarities are the main misleading factor. In many cases, the language spoken by a people is not related with their actual origin. In Mesopotamia and neighbouring region, it is possible to distinguish three main linguistic families, that may be defined as follows: Semitic, Ku****ic and Indo-Hurrian.

    · The Semitic family consisting in Aramaic/Akkadian/Assyrian and Hebrew, spoken by the respective peoples and also by subdued groups like the Canaanites.

    · The family here defined as Ku****ic refers to the agglutinative languages that, not finding thoroughly suitable the conventional classifications like "Ural-Altaic", "Ugro-Finnic" or "Turanic", chiefly because they are not related to the Central Asian geographic region in this period, it appears to be a better term to call them in this case "Ku****ic". They are Sumerian, Elamite and Subarian-Mitanni (often mistaken as Hurrian).

    · The Indo-Hurrian family is what in modern terms would be expressed as "Indo-European", or a branch of it that includes Sanskrit, which was the original Hurrian language and was introduced in India by the Aryana ("Aryans"), that were a Hurrian tribe. The existing controversies whether the Hurrian language was Indo-European or agglutinative are owing to the fact that the main Hurrian kingdom in Mesopotamia was ruled by Mitanni, whose language was of the Ku****ic family, and therefore it is usually mistaken as "Hurrian"​
    .......

    ....With regard to the Patriarchs, their Biblical names have been identified with places or peoples and compared with other sources like the Assyrian or Egyptian records for confirmation. In most cases the identification is correct, but not always. By coincident facts, some of the Habiri personalities have been regarded as the founders or name-givers of the regions where they dwelled. Such is the case of Avraham's brothers, Haran and Nachor, that have been erroneously associated with Hurrian and Mitanni: In Genesis 11:31 we read "Terach took Avram his son, Lot the son of Haran... They came to Haran and lived there". Apparently, Avraham's brother and the land where they settled were called the same way, but in Hebrew these two names are different: the land is written with initial chet, while the personal name is with he. Again in Genesis 24:10 is written "He arose, and went to Aram-Naharayim, to the city of Nahor"; the land of Mesopotamia in Hebrew is called Aram-Naharayim, that is "Aram of the Rivers"; also present-day Assyrians call their homeland Bet-Nahrin, meaning "House of the Rivers". Yet, in Egyptian records, Naharin is the name given to the Mitanni, and hence the hypothesis that the "city of Nahor" and Aram-Naharayim were synonymous (as it is usual in Hebrew to repeat the same concept with different words), and that Nahor was the ancestor of the Mitanni (Naharin). This assumption is unfounded, at least because NaHaRaYim and NaCHOR are non-related words. Consequently, such kind of comparisons, based on apparent transliteration of names is utterly inaccurate. ....



    COMPLETE ARTICLE HERE: http://www.imninalu.net/myths-appendix.htm
     
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    Interesting!

    This confirms my research!

    I agree with most everything what is said here, however, I believe the info about 'HURRIAN' is extremely misleading. And I'll explain why:

    When this historian says that 'Sanskrit' was the original language of the Hurrians and then he says that the 'the Indo-Hurrians' and 'the Indo-Europeans', are the same, this is so misleading. My central focus is BLACK HISTORY and this is what I try to pull out. Now when he says that the language spoken is many times not related to their actual origin, MAN! No one knows that better than we, African Americans over here as a result of the slave trade! That is one issue that I always keep in mind.

    And I think that also, for us Black African Americans who also read the Bible can also see this very issue with the confusion about Moses and the Bible, because after all, he was Hebrew, yet he was educated as a scribe under the Egyptians!

    Now here's the issue with the manner in which this historian offers about the HURRIANS. For Black people, in my opinion, more clarity needs to be given in respect to his terms 'Indo-Hurrian', 'Indo-European' and 'Sanskrit'. If I was not up on those terms, I do believe I would be misled to believe that India is the foundation of the Hurrians!--in the way that he explains this issue. But in fact, it would be the other way around!

    And no, Indo-Hurrian would not be a branch of Indo-European based on my research. He makes it seem as if the Europeans are THE ORIGINATORS OF THE HURRIANS by a twist of terms because he links the term 'Indo' along with them. They are both two distinct terms, Indo-Hurrian and Indo-European. Now I know that some historians may try and place the Hurrians Turkey, but even in his writings, he contradicts this. THE MASTERS OF SCRIPT WERE BLACKS, and so the script he refers to does not begin with the indo-Europeans [Whites from the east], nor does it begin with the Indo-Hurrians [WHITES THAT CAME FROM THE EAST TO LIVE UNDER NIMROD!]. Based on my research, THE HURRIANS begin in UR of the Chaldees. And these white people know this, that is why he put the term as 'INDO-HURRIAN' [white hurrians!]. So when he says that the original script of the Hurrians is Sanskrit but says that it is a branch of Indo-european...MAN! HOW WRONG HE IS!

    When he says that the original script of the Indo-Hurrians is a branch of Indo-european, yes, this could be true because they are both WHITE PEOPLE. But the Hurrians were not! Now when he says that the Aryans introduced Sanskrit into India and that it is the original script of the Hurrians, MAN, this is so misleading. He makes it seem as if the Aryans are responsible for this language/script and that the Hurrians were idiots who needed them!

    Now if he explained that the Aryans Indo-Hurrians are one and the same kind of people that came to Black lands and then took that knowledge back into India, then he would be honest. But I tell you, that is not the message he transmitted.

    So, yes, perhaps the Aryans may have introduced Sanskrit, THE ORIGINAL SCRIPT/LANGUAGE OF THE HURRIANS into India, but they only took what they had learned from the Cush Hamites. They may be Indo-Hurrians, but they are not Hurrians, and this is the kind of stuff that has so confused the Black people.

    Furthermore, based on my research, the actual spelling of 'SANSKRIT' is with the 'm' and is also spelled 'SAMSKRIT' [SAMEAN SCRIPT] and in this spelling Black people can see the confirmation, perhaps. The word 'Sam' stems from Hamitic people and it means 'black'. And even though the Aryans may have introduced Sanskrit into India, as he say, the way I got it was that ancient Cush Ham men of whom were diplomats [monks, scholars...] actually were welcomed into India and etc. and they were the ones to teach their own script. They taught their CUNEIFORM SCRIPT [Sam script] in their schools and travelled to other lands and taught it too.


    ....With regard to the Patriarchs, their Biblical names have been identified with places or peoples and compared with other sources like the Assyrian or Egyptian records for confirmation. In most cases the identification is correct, but not always.

    Again, he confirms my research here! But when he says;


    Apparently, Avraham's brother and the land where they settled were called the same way but in Hebrew these two names are different:

    He is totally WRONG!!!--And contradicting the Bible completely, because it that CITY NAME and HIS SON HARAN [Charran] HAS the very same NAME SPELLING as his son. The spelling of the city and the name of his son 'HARAN' the Bible spells it the very same way as the son of terah, and it was they went to live!

    In regards to Nahor [Nachor], Aram, and Haran...he is so wrong here and extremely misleading.

    The city of Nahor and the city of haran are two totally different areas and two totally different men. The Bible makes it clear that Haran was named after his son that died. Now the city of Nahor as it is linked to Aram is so correct and the Bible confirms this as being where REBECCA was at and in associated to MILCAH. But this historian is linking NAHOR'S CITY to HARAN'S CITY AND HE IS INCORRECT.

    Haran is in Assyria in the NORTH, but
    NACHOR'S CITY is in Syria in the SOUTH just as Padan-Aram.

    I think this historian might be looking at another Bible translation and perhaps not the KJV, what do you think?

    GENESIS 26 --Compare CITY TO TERAH'S SON'S NAME

    [26] And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram, Nahor, and Haran. [SON OF TERAH]

    [28] And Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees. [TERAH'S SON]

    5.[31] And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there. [THE CITY]

    6.[32] And the days of Terah were two hundred and five years: and Terah died in Haran. [CITY]

    *Spelled the same way for both.​
     
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    10 - City of Nahor Archaeologists identify it not as Haran but as a settlement near that city. See ge1131.

    http://www.bibleexplained.com/moses/Gene/ge24.html

    HERE ARE TWO MAPS SHOWING THAT MITANNI & HARAN are the same, and Aram is sourthwards, however I usually describe it as 'regions' [same regions] because regions sometimes overlap when civilizations rise and fall and take over:

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    An important offshoot of this invasion, the Mitanni of biblical Haran, played an important part in Western history.
    http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/uc_slattery_tin.htm
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    Now here are some Bible quotes and secular quotes. Now I stated that Joseph was connected to the Syrians, and even though Jacob went to the country of Haran, some scholars don't make a distinction between terms, and that Padan-Aram is distinct from Haran. I don't know how to confirm this completely other than to say that perhaps the Aramean boundaries might overlap haran to the north and then stretch southwards into Syria and Damascus. At any rate, I saw in my research that sometimes the Bible prophets who wrotelater , wrote in summation, and denoted a certain land even before it was the Hebrews actually live there. For instance, I think Padan-Aram was written long before Dan and the tribe of Dan were even born. But yet after 400+ years of captivity, the tribe of Dan sure did inhabit parts of this land. So I assume it might sound confusing that Haran was named even before Terah fled there and after his son died. Maybe it was named so for him when he was alive? Terah was a big wig, that's for sure. But anyway, I have some quotes that show that it was linked to him, Haran, Terah's son:

    Beside the definite location of the patriarchal cities Haran and Nahor in northwestern Mesopotamia, hardly less clear indications of Hebrew residence in this region appear in the names of Abraha's forefathers, which correspond tothe names of towns near Haran: Serug (Assyrian Sarugi), Nahor, and Terah (Til Turakhi, "Mound of Terah", inAssyrian times).
    http://www.theology.edu/abraham.htm

    The city of Nahor, which was Rebekkah's home (Gen. 24:10), occurs often as Nakhur in the Mari tablets, discovered in 1935 and dating from the eighteenth century BC. To judge from the Mari references and Assyrian records of the seventh century BC, where Nahor occurs as Til-Nakhiri (the Mound of Nahor), it seems to have been located in the Balikh Valley below Haran.
    http://www.theology.edu/abraham.htm

    And Isaac sent away Jacob: and he went to Padan-aram unto Laban, son of Bethuel the Syrian, the brother of Rebekah, Jacob's and Esau's mother.
    GENESIS 28-5.​

    He wrote that, "Again in Genesis 24:10 is written "He arose, and went to Aram-Naharayim, to the city of Nahor";..."

    But this is not true in KJV of which states, ...and he arose and went to Mesopotamia, unto the city of Nahor. GENESIS 24:10.

    and in reference to his statements about 'Indo-Hurrian' being a branch of 'Indo-European', White historians are very diverse on this and alot of history such as this, but this confirms my research...

    This territory is also the area where people spoke Hurrian, a language that is not related to the Semitic and Indo-European languages.… we also find a rapid rise of Hurrian in Kizzuwadna (Cilicia).

    http://www.livius.org/mi-mn/mitanni/mitanni.html
     
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