Black People : about that statue of liberty

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  1. deepy

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    ************ A Lesson in Black History
    ************************** The Statue of Liberty

    It is hard to believe that after my many years of schooling (secondary and
    *post) the following facts about the Statue of Liberty were never taught:

    Hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people including myself have
    visited the Statue of Liberty over the years but yet I'm unable to find one
    person who knows the true history behind the Statue...amazing!

    Yes, amazing that so much important Black history (such as this) is hidden
    from us (Black and White). What makes this even worse is the fact that the
    current twist on history perpetuates and promotes white supremacy at the
    expense of Black Pride!

    During my visit to France I saw the original Statue of Liberty. However,
    there was a difference...the statue in France is BLACK!!!!!!

    "Ya learn something new everyday!"

    The Statue of Liberty was originally a Black woman. But, as memory serves,
    it was because the model was Black. In a book called "The Journey of The
    Songhai People," as Dr. Jim Haskins (a member of the National Education
    Advisory Committee of the Liberty-Ellis Island Committee, professor of
    English at the University of Florida, and prolific Black author) points out
    that is what stimulated the original idea for that 151 foot statue in the
    harbor. He says that the idea for the creation of the statue initially was
    to acknowledge the part that Black soldiers played in the ending of Black
    African Bondage in the United States.

    It was created in the mind of the French historian Edourd de Laboulaye,
    Chairman of the French Anti-Slavery Society, who, together with sculptor
    Frederic Auguste Bartholdi, proposed to the French government that the
    people of France present to the people of the United States through the
    American Abolitionist Society, the gift of a Statue of Liberty in
    >recognition of the fact that Black soldiers won the Civil War in the
    United States. It was widely known then that it was Black Soldiers who
    played the pivotal role in winning the war, and this gift would be a
    tribute to their prowess.

    Suzanne Nakasian, director of the Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island
    Foundations' National Ethnic Campaign said that the Black Americans' direct
    connection to Lady Liberty is unknown to the majority of Americans, BLACK
    or WHITE.

    When the statue was presented to the US. Minister to France in 1884, it is
    said that he remonstrated that the dominant view of the broken shackles
    would be offensive to the U.S. South because the statue was a reminder of
    Blacks winning their freedom. It was a reminder to a beaten South of the
    ones who caused their defeat, their despised former captives.

    Documents of Proof:

    (1.) You may go and see the original model of the Statue of Liberty, with
    the broken chains at her feet and in her left hand. Go to the Museum of the
    City of NY, Fifth Avenue and 103rd Street (212) 534-1672 or call the same
    number and dial ext. 208 and speak to Peter Simmons and he can send you
    some documentation.

    (2.) Check with the N.Y. Times magazine, part II May 18, 1986.

    (3.) The dark original face of the Statue of Liberty can be seen in the
    N.Y. Post June 17, 1986, also the Post stated the reason for the broken
    chains at her feet.

    (4.) Finally, you may check with the French Mission or the French Embassy
    at the U.N. or in Washington, D.C.and ask for some original French material
    on the Statue of Liberty, including the Bartholdi original model. You can
    call (202) 944-6060 or 6400.

    Please pass this information along!
    Be sure to send it to people with children!
    Open a dialog and discuss it with your friends!
    Let this be the beginning of your quest for the Truth about
    American History past and present!

    Empower Yourself, Your Family and Your Community!



    **this was sent to me by a couple of good friends
    I wish I knew who the original writer was..but I do know there is truth in it....
     
  2. Alkebulan

    Alkebulan Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    thanks deepy

    many thanks deepy 4 bringing this 2 our attention.

    1 of the things i find most ironic is, even thou the original intention of the statue (it's color & intent was 1st brought 2 my attention by j.a. rogers) was 2 honor blk ppl, the immigration quota's for african ppl from other parts of the world wishing to emigrate 2 the u.s. over last 40 yrs hv served 2 insure that blk ppl were least the likely 2 b welcomed by her.

    2 exerpt som lines from a poem i wrote:

    that green harbor woman w the crown,
    don't seem 2 like black or brown
    DARK huddled masses r not the desired population
    shld hv her hooded & white,
    w a burning cross 4 a light
    she reinforces a strict caucationization


    that would hv been a much mor accurate depection of her attitude toward blk ppl.

    thanks again 4 the info.
     
  3. Kingpin

    Kingpin Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Could you post some links

    I was wondering if you could post some links for your information??

    I was reading up on this and all i can find on the Statue of Liberty is what I have always been taught that the Lady Liberty was modeled after Isabella Boyer. She lived in France and was alive at the time of the sculpting and new the sculptor. She was also very wealthy since her deceased husband was the inventor of the Singer sewing machine.

    Here is link that I have, everything that I know or can find says the same thing..


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabella_Eugenie_Boyer

    I just came across this and thought you might like to take a look at this link..

    here is an exerpt from the sight.
    "What seems to have eluded Jeffries and others is that whatever the color of the person who served as the model for the Statue of Liberty may have been, the statue itself is colorless. It does not represent a particular color of person any more than the Michelin Tire Man does, and the idea it symbolizes applies to people of all colors, whether or not its creators intended it that way. Just as the attitudes of people who lived hundreds of years ago cannot require us look upon others as inferiors today, neither can they magically elevate the status of those who may still be the objects of discrimination. That is a task for those of us who live here and now. "

    http://www.snopes.com/history/american/liberty.htm
     
  4. deepy

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    some links per request

    kingpin...haven't done lots of research..but the following may help you:

    www.yahushua.net/babylon/liberty/pagan_.htm


    http://groups.msn.com/RevealingFalseDoctrine/statueoflibertyorigin.msnw


    www.blackladyliberty.com


    The African Background to the Statue of Liberty

    Q. Was the Statue of Liberty created as a tribute to black soldiers in the Civil War?
    A. In part, possibly, but hard to prove.
    Q. Did a black woman model for it?
    A. Yes and No. Depends on your point of reference.
    Q. Is there any Black connection to the origin of Statue of Liberty?
    A. I believe so.
    Some argue that to affirm any of these notions is to believe yet another "Urban Legend." I say, "Not So Fast!"

    In my search for the "smoking gun" to answer these questions, I stumbled across an incredible, but seldom told story about American and world history. Like me, you too will wonder "Why didn't I know that?"

    The "African Background to the Statue of Liberty" is a startling and fact-filled presentation about the origins of one of America’s most endearing shrines. The true story goes much deeper than immigrants coming to Ellis Island. Indeed, immigrants had absolutely nothing to do with the origin of the Statue.

    In this presentation, you will learn much about the French patriots who conceived of the idea of a gift to commemorate 100 years of independence and liberty in America (and hoped for liberty in France). You will likely be surprised to learn of their significant links to the American Anti-Slavery Movement. I believe that there is indeed evidence to support a hidden motive for the gift of the Statue symbolizing admiration and appreciation for the elimination of African slavery in America. This momentous event cleared the one blight which mocked the lofty ideals of the only nation which professed a belief in the equality of all men.

    Off the beaten and well-worn path of the traditional storyline (Ellis Island), you will learn about the public and not so public motives of the two principal personalities behind the “Liberty” project; Edouard de Laboulaye, who conceived of the project and Frederick Bartholdi, the sculptor who envisioned “Liberty” first as a colossal lighthouse statue of an Egyptian peasant woman, and finally as the lady we know in New York harbor.

    For Booking Information Contact:[email protected]
     
  5. deepy

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    kingpin...
    another thing.. I am not trying to make, what has become a symbol of our "so called" american democracy...a racial war or anything.
    I believe that we , as a people, have a right to no historical truth. How we utilize the information is something else. But to be denied knowledge , to me, is unfair.
     
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    That is absolutely right Deepvoice.....Kingpin.

    I, myself, have no problem with other races......all the way to the point where I am embracing my African heritage, and because it is not European or American, they look at me as if I am stupid, and our legacy is stupid. You tell them truths about Khemet, they will have no interest, because Khemet is not 'American-European-made.'

    What does that have to deal with the topic? Simple-

    Jesus Christ was a black - I can accept that and move on with life. However, other groups of people can't, so it becomes a fight for the truth.

    The first man in the universe was a black man - I can accept that and move on with my life. It does not become a big deal to me until someone tries to persuade me to think otherwise - once again going against the truth.

    The truth is, it is so hard for Europeans to accept this. Did you know that President Martin Van Buren wanted to abolish slavery, until his constituents (or whoever you want to call them) informed him that he would lose his SOUTHERN U.S. votes? Shows how much they care about us. Another forum said that Abraham Lincoln was a Jew...not an American - Hence, I am not surprised he played a role in Abolishing slavery.

    Back to the topic.

    It sickens me to find out the reason over and over again why the U.S. disliked the idea of the original Statue of Liberty with broken shackles.

    I think it is this: http://www.beyond.fr/picsvill2/sault098b.jpg or this: http://www.etrippers.com/images/FolderL/DSCN3214_small.JPG

    I too think it is extremely unfair to be entitled to know what America thinks is the truth, and not the REAL TRUTH - no matter WHAT color is involved.

    What white creation(s) have blacks stolen?.............Answers please!

    CD
     
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