Law Forum : Abortion: Are You "Pro-Life" or "Pro-Choice"?

"Pro-Life" or "Pro-Choice"?

  • I am Female and I am Pro-Life

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • -I am Female and I am Pro-Choice

    Votes: 6 42.9%
  • I am Male and I am Pro-Life

    Votes: 2 14.3%
  • I am Male and I am Pro-Choice

    Votes: 6 42.9%

  • Total voters
    14

frankster

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Frank, this is something you will never understand, most likely, imo.

And in my opinion I understand it more than you would believe or want to accept

The sanctity of a woman's body cannot be put into words for you.

I hold the belief that all human beings bodies should be held in Sanctity, The Woman the man and the unborn child...I make exception there.

You'll just have to take my word on this.

Hey I do..I do believe that you honestly and sincerely believe that your opinion is correct.
I know many women who share your opinion.....it is the accepted opinion of the majority of our society today.


Having a rapist's child inside of me would indeed make me feel sick and ashamed among a lot of other dreadful things.

Okay here is the point and I am not trying to be frivolous or insensitive....just realistic.
Psychology is real - we make it so by self full filling prophecy.

They Issue is for you would be in my opinion Psychological and Moral....NOT BIOLOGICAL
1. That is your opinion, unless you have had a rapist child in you....it remains an opinion. Albeit very likely accurate in terms of predisposition, mindset and expectations.
2. Most women do feel sick when the are caring - nausea.
3. Women who were expected to inseminated with Anonymous donor or their husband sperm but instead recieve the Doctor's sperm did not reported any significant difference in pregnancy in and off itself.
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/03/05/us/doctor-is-found-guilty-in-fertility-case.html
http://www.eggdonor.com/blog/2009/11/13/connecticut-fertility-doctor-inseminates-patient-with-his-own-sperm/


Maybe you could identify with how YOU would feel if YOUR WIFE were pregnant and carrying a child from a man who had raped her. Would you love the child like he was your own? Even when he looked, spoke, and acted, like the rapist?
Sitting I would be outrage at the rapist for what he has done.....But if she ask me what to do with the child I would say keep it. There of course would be some resentment, but I think eventually I would grow to love that child. Bearing in mind I grew up in a blended family - My mother and father both brought children* from previous relationship into their marriage.

I cannot speak for my wife in such a situation but she has always been against Abortion.
In Jamaica where I grew up we have a thing we called "Jacket" read up on it. It is probable prevalent in America too
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20110525/lead/lead31.html

*Never like to share personal information on these boards becausse there is always a unscrupulous poster who will use it to make ad hominen attacks....... One of my sibling was the result of rape.
 

Inanna

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K Frankster,

"Slave holders believe that
1.Africans were less than or sub human and so were chattel, as a result they were free to do anything they so desired to their African slaves....this process is called Dehumanization
2. Also African that were enslaves were dependent on their captors for food clothing and shelter hence their lives belong to the Slave holder. Which the Slave keeper believe is more reason why, they have say over the life's of the enslaved.....Dependency Clause it needs me to survive without me it would die - ipso facto.
Pro-Abortionist believe that after conception comes a zygote which is not human but a bunch a cells which you can do what you will with.....This is the Dehumanization process.
Pro-Abortionist also believe that This unborn Child/their word zygote is totally dependent so they have every right to do with it as it pleases.....Dependency Clause."

And this has nothing to do with women/babies because women who abort do not perceive their unborn as property, chattel, or slaves, and women who abort don't rely on a dependency clause or any special processes because legislation and ladies' uterus' (should) have nothing to do with each other.

"Planned Parenthood believes that Murdered unborn Children are mere biological Tissues - property..... that it has a right to do with as it pleases.....Commodification."

Planned parenthood is a medical facility and just like hospitals collect tissue samples whether they're using them to research cancer or the common cold, planned parenthood has every right to do the same. Why not do research, so that women who keep their babies, aka the vast majority, have better enlightened doctors. And who is to say that if these babies weren't terminated before they're born that they won't be murdered when they're alive? How many mothers/fathers have murdered their children? Too many. And not terminating a pregnancy when the mother is on drugs is also detrimental to the baby. Have you ever worked with babies born on drugs? I do and a lot of them end up in foster care and worse, with medical problems they have to deal with their whole lives. Loss of vision, loss of hearing, learning disabled, speech disabled, physically disabled, emotionally disturbed. You ever deal with a foster kid with an under aged crack head mother and a diagnosis of autism and ED? You have NO idea. Some women have to abort because they're told the child won't live very long outside of the womb. Should they not abort. Keep it to bury it anyway? Is that really better? Keep the baby and keep doing drugs, is that better? Keep a baby you don't plan to love, that's better? Really.

"Yes....Slave owners would rape and force African women to bear children, as an economic decision. This was possible because Africans in general were dehumanized.
No man Today can claim ownership a woman because she has his child.....if truth be told the reverse seems to be more appropriate"

Seriously, you don't even have to have a mans baby for him to claim ownership over you. Ariana grande just went through hell with media because they kept referring to her as big Sean's ex girlfriend, like she was an attachment of him and had no name. Women are equated to property all day. And what do you know about how women feel post pregnancy, because I'm pretty sure when I had my sons I felt more like an "owned woman" than I've ever felt. You lose yourself in more ways than one, and it becomes ALL about the children the second they're born. It's a huge responsibility and if a woman's not ready to say goodbye to herself and her body and her right to do what she wants when and how she wants she shouldn't have to. ESPECIALLY if she's raped.

"The unborn Child is innocent in this sordid affair....why should it be punished?
Punish the rapist not the child....does that make more sense?"

The unborn child has no clue what's going on until way after he's been born, and leave it to you he'll grow up to find out his fathers a rapist, an to me, that is punishment. Children blame themselves when their parents are poor, when they fight, if they divorce, or worse when daddy rapes mommy, and being that children are great imitators is that really the best life for a child? Really? The unborn is innocent but so is his mother. Your solution to a woman dealing with a traumatic experience like rape is to continue to be reminded everyday that she was raped when she looks at her child. What if she doesn't love the child, blames the child, beats the child, because of it? How does this child feel knowing his fathers a rapist and his mothers a victim and she kept him merely because people don't believe in abortion not because she loves him and plans to give him a great life? You think that's fair to her to have to give all that she has when she's had everything taken away from her? She may be suicidal, and now she's got to deal with Post partum depression too! That poor girl. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you don't actually know any woman whose done this? Well, I know a girl who was raped by her cousin and kept the baby that came from that. She kept the baby because she wanted to use it as proof to her family that he really did rape her, since she had showered and waited a few days before getting a rape kit done, so it was basically DNA or no proof. The boy was born, and the family believes her, but what of her life, his life, the rapist cousin? Dysfunctional to say the least and no he didn't stop raping at his cousin and it's a good thing he only likes underaged girls or his son would be at risk for being molested.

"Today woman are given many ways to prevent a pregnancy, before conceptions their are many choices. After conception it is no longer about the man or the woman but the child and its body."

We were 16 when this happened and she wasn't a virgin but she wasn't sexually active so she wasn't on birth control. She went to a family function and was raped. She's supposed to just be on birth control, in high school, to prepare to visit family? You fa real? You're basically saying its your fault you weren't on birth control when you were raped, now get ready to be a mother 16 year old cause that baby deserves you to be the best you can be, wether you're gonna do it or not, but have him anyway cause the baby really wants to be born, really bad.

"People hating their own seed....to the point of murdering them whilst they are most vulnerable."

Believe it or not many women abort because they LOVE their babies and if the woman feels she can't provide the best life she won't make that life happen. That's not self hate or hating babies, that's doing what's right for you and yours at that time. You can't force parenthood on people who aren't ready for it, or force babies to be born into hell that they didn't deserve or ask for. Its not fair to anyone involved.

"When Propaganda, Associations, and Innuendos can turn you against your own like that it is a rare form of self hate that Madison Ave Public Relations firms have achieved. Instead of having to force you to kill your own offspring/future.....You are begging them to allow you to have it done."

No amount of propaganda etc could make me abort. I adore my babies. But if I'm ever in a position where I feel like I want/need an abortion, the last thing I need is a man or a government telling me I'm wrong about my life and the life I'm gonna be responsible for, not you, cause even if a woman did rape you, SHE is the one who has to have the baby and birth it etc etc. You can go. You don't become her property and if you wish to deny responsibility you can. You can deny paternity. You can not be there when the baby is born. You can keep your clothes size and you can keep your non leaking milk jugs you call breasts. It's not like that for a woman. Not at all. So please stop talking about the matter like it's actually about the law or planned parenthood cause USA can get bombed tomorrow and planned parenthood can get shut down right down, and just like two hundred and two thousand years ago, women will still abort when they feel they need to because no, not every life is wanted when it comes and not every woman can step up to that plate.
 

Liberty

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And in my opinion I understand it more than you would believe or want to accept



I hold the belief that all human beings bodies should be held in Sanctity, The Woman the man and the unborn child...I make exception there.



Hey I do..I do believe that you honestly and sincerely believe that your opinion is correct.
I know many women who share your opinion.....it is the accepted opinion of the majority of our society today.




Okay here is the point and I am not trying to be frivolous or insensitive....just realistic.
Psychology is real - we make it so by self full filling prophecy.

They Issue is for you would be in my opinion Psychological and Moral....NOT BIOLOGICAL
1. That is your opinion, unless you have had a rapist child in you....it remains an opinion. Albeit very likely accurate in terms of predisposition, mindset and expectations.
2. Most women do feel sick when the are caring - nausea.
3. Women who were expected to inseminated with Anonymous donor or their husband sperm but instead recieve the Doctor's sperm did not reported any significant difference in pregnancy in and off itself.
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/03/05/us/doctor-is-found-guilty-in-fertility-case.html
http://www.eggdonor.com/blog/2009/11/13/connecticut-fertility-doctor-inseminates-patient-with-his-own-sperm/




Sitting I would be outrage at the rapist for what he has done.....But if she ask me what to do with the child I would say keep it. There of course would be some resentment, but I think eventually I would grow to love that child. Bearing in mind I grew up in a blended family - My mother and father both brought children* from previous relationship into their marriage.

I cannot speak for my wife in such a situation but she has always been against Abortion.
In Jamaica where I grew up we have a thing we called "Jacket" read up on it. It is probable prevalent in America too
http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20110525/lead/lead31.html

*Never like to share personal information on these boards becausse there is always a unscrupulous poster who will use it to make ad hominen attacks....... One of my sibling was the result of rape.
*sigh*

After awhile you would grow to love the child????? Well ain't that about a b****? So, all this time while you're working out your resentments, how do you think the child's psychological development is doing? Because, this is how pathologies develop.

Your examples, and the links you post, never prove your points! You waste my time. I researched and found out what a "jacket" is. A "jacket" is a child that a man thinks belongs to him, but really doesn't, because is wife cheated on him. And, the link you posted involves Jamaican men trying to use "jackets" to obtain green cards to come to the U.S. sometimes fraudulently, right? Now, wtf does that have to do with abortion?

You did the same thing on the FGM thread. I watched three YouTube videos that you posted that had nothing to do with the ideas you said they supported.

Now, how are you gonna give m back the 20 minutes I jut wasted, Frank?
 

Aluku

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Believe whatever you want. Just know why PP was founded, what it's aim was and why it is $$$$upported by the DNC.

60% of African Americans' pregnancies end in Abortion!(a negative growth rate) The dreams of the RACIST, Margaret Sanger, are being fulfilled before our very own eyes. Margaret Sanger, by the way was the founder of Planned Parenthood!

The founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated."

$$$:

In 1975, Jesse Jackson called for the ban of abortion through a Constitutional Amendment, and in an interview in Jet Magazine he referred to abortion as genocide.

Then, in 1977, Jackson made this observation, “It is strange that they chose to start talking about population control at the same time that Black people in America and people of color around the world are demanding their rightful place as human citizens and their rightful share of the material wealth in the world.”

Today Jesse Jackson is pro choice...

Like the Teachers Unions, Planned Parenthood donates heavily to the DNC and the DNC in turn rewards them with pushing favorable legislation!
 

jamesfrmphilly

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Believe whatever you want. Just know why PP was founded, what it's aim was and why it is $$$$upported by the DNC.

60% of African Americans' pregnancies end in Abortion!(a negative growth rate) The dreams of the RACIST, Margaret Sanger, are being fulfilled before our very own eyes. Margaret Sanger, by the way was the founder of Planned Parenthood!

The founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated."

$$$:

In 1975, Jesse Jackson called for the ban of abortion through a Constitutional Amendment, and in an interview in Jet Magazine he referred to abortion as genocide.

Then, in 1977, Jackson made this observation, “It is strange that they chose to start talking about population control at the same time that Black people in America and people of color around the world are demanding their rightful place as human citizens and their rightful share of the material wealth in the world.”

Today Jesse Jackson is pro choice...

Like the Teachers Unions, Planned Parenthood donates heavily to the DNC and the DNC in turn rewards them with pushing favorable legislation!
:offtopic1:
 

chuck

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Believe whatever you want. Just know why PP was founded, what it's aim was and why it is $$$$upported by the DNC.

60% of African Americans' pregnancies end in Abortion!(a negative growth rate) The dreams of the RACIST, Margaret Sanger, are being fulfilled before our very own eyes. Margaret Sanger, by the way was the founder of Planned Parenthood!

The founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated."

$$$:

In 1975, Jesse Jackson called for the ban of abortion through a Constitutional Amendment, and in an interview in Jet Magazine he referred to abortion as genocide.

Then, in 1977, Jackson made this observation, “It is strange that they chose to start talking about population control at the same time that Black people in America and people of color around the world are demanding their rightful place as human citizens and their rightful share of the material wealth in the world.”

Today Jesse Jackson is pro choice...

Like the Teachers Unions, Planned Parenthood donates heavily to the DNC and the DNC in turn rewards them with pushing favorable legislation!
Please do contrast what you just choose to believe and what you can actually prove is the truth ok?

Thanks!!

fyi
 

Aluku

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Please do contrast what you just choose to believe and what you can actually prove is the truth ok?

Thanks!!

fyi
I choose to believe the facts.

Those facts are easily found if one is willing to learn the truth. The links are in my reply above.

In one of the links you can actually hear Sanger in her own words.

Another link you can use to verify the money part is opensecrets.org

This website records ALL donors of either party. As I said before it is always about the money. That money is spent among other things to convince voters to vote one way or the other on issues and elections.

opensecrets.org PP file
 

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