Black Education / Schools : A Case for Same-Sex Education

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  1. MsInterpret

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    A Case for Same-Sex Education
    Chicago's Urban Prep is a shining example of how same-sex education can and does work for young black males, and it might be the key to closing the dismal achievement gap.

    By: Deron Snyder

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    Here are the latest depressing reports on the plight of African Americans: Only 12 percent of our fourth-grade boys are proficient readers, compared with 38 percent of white fourth-grade boys. By eighth grade, reading proficiency falls to just 9 percent for black males, 33 percent for whites.

    Clearly, this is a crisis situation, with black males almost twice as likely as white males to drop out of high school, and a dropout rate of about 50 percent in some big cities. Black males make up about 5 percent of college enrollment nationally but about 30 percent of the prison population. Based on this depressing achievement gap, the demand for prison beds could remain strong for the foreseeable future.

    Or we could open our minds to a different, controversial approach, such as the route taken by Urban Prep Academy, an all-boys charter school in Chicago. While there are pros and cons of same-sex education, we should consider the success of Urban Prep and try to replicate it on a wide scale. Any school that places 107 out of 107 seniors into college is worthy of emulation. Considering the fact that those seniors hail from some of Chicago's most disadvantaged, impoverished and crime-ridden neighborhoods, Urban Preps should be popping up across the nation as we speak.

    Of course, there isn't one single solution for the problems facing black boys. Better parenting and better teaching would help, whether or not schools are coed. And Urban Prep's focus on college preparation doesn't change the fact that the skilled trades are an attractive -- and necessary -- alternative for some students, who can go on to lead healthy and productive blue-collar lives. We need plumbers, electricians and HVAC specialists as much as we need doctors, lawyers and engineers. Nevertheless, schools such as Urban Prep offer an attractive alternative to coed public schools.

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    I dont believe those stats. And I really hate that these kinds of programs
    use these kinds of stats to sell their success. If it works, just say it works.
    And to take my criticism a step further, I would say that its
    really sad to see them make their case for black achievement in terms
    relative to white achievement.. like if the numbers were the same across
    the board, that would be some kind of progress. The truth is, even the
    white numbers are terrible. And we should be shooting for something
    way beyond what they are doing.. in fact, they should not be anywhere
    in the conversation about black achievement. Black achievement should
    be defined in terms of the things that we need to do to take control of
    our collective fate. But these kinds of programs
    get their funding by selling these kinds of stories.. and what they dont
    realize is they also perpetuate the myth of black inferiority.

    I agree that black children need a special educational experience.. but I disagree
    that they need it just to catch up with white kids. Black kids need an
    education that is radically different from the white kids that will soon
    take the reins perpetuate and protect white privilege worldwide.

    Black kids need a far far advanced education than what is taught in
    american schools.. Im talking multiple languages, a real understanding
    of history.. of science and mathematics, of electronics and computer
    technologies, of law and political science, etc.. the current dumbed down
    system of education will never result in anything other than what it has.

    and I know I didnt speak to the same-sex part at all.. thats because I
    think the race thing trumps the gender thing.


    Peace.. once again.
     
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    I too don't truely believe it, but i can say we are behind
    this why parents should buy books / read more to there children
    and not hope the public school system do it , Take out time a day
    for reading give them the news paper to read articals we are the
    reading power to there future.
     
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    I say let's try it.

    We've tried every other type of schooling.

    Sometimes a better education could be just as simple as parents cutting off the TV and the computer.
     
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    better.. maybe in relative terms.. but the TV and the Computer are both
    very valueable learning tools. The truth is, the problem with education has
    to do with American society's will toward our people.. Until we understand
    that the education system has nothing to do with education and everything
    to do with money, then our children will forever be marginalized. Education
    has to be geared toward some particular end.. graduates should graduate
    into the thing that they have learned.. the learning should not be theoretical
    but practical.. But, it's our responsibility, as a group, to create the jobs for
    our people.. we cannot rely on anyone but ourselves..
     
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    I agree skyler. The TV and computer, if used properly can be effective learning tools. But nothing beats sitting down with a child and reading and studying together. From books. Like our ancestors and elders from the struggle did......before the computer. But that's just my stuff. That's what I and my wife do with my daughter. And she has improved her basic skill set tremendously. And its a moment for bonding, which is equally important.

    But I dont agree that education is totally about money. Children are introduced to topics and subjects that they would probably not learn anywhere else. And we are already marginalized, in this society, especially the inner city poor.

    So I would say, take what they have until we can invent our own.

    I would also check the learning environment in the home, and the interests of the parents, because the home is the first school for any child. If the home aint right, it probably wouldnt matter where the child went.
     
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    exactly... but,

    the thing I want to communicate is: it is impossible to detach the condition
    of our people as a whole from the education and training of our young.
    Their is a direct connection between the two. Marginalization is a process that
    does not just start after school.. it starts in the classroom.. it is, in my opinion,
    a functional product of this american education.. whether or not it is
    intended is another matter.. whether or not it is racism or incompetence or
    both is also another matter.. but that it is resulting in a result that does not
    serve us as a group is very very important.


    And on the point of Education being about money.. I'm speaking of the
    Education system, not education in general.. And that's a conclusion I
    came to after spending a considerable amount of time involved in our
    local school system.. it just appeared to me that the primary order of
    business was the employment of the folks in education.. the actual education of
    the children was almost an afterthought.. but their money, their rights,
    their work conditions, their own financial security took center stage each
    and every time.. meanwhile over 50% of the district is routinely below
    grade level.. but our teachers only have to work 6.5 hours per day..
    and their contract specifies that the performance of their students can not
    be factored into their performance evaluations.. it's all a game.. failing
    students are passed-on, socially-promoted, because they still bring in
    money whether they learn anything or not.. and once the school system is
    done with them, they turn them out on the street.. and the streets can
    take care of the rest.. eventually they end up in prison where their
    presence provides financial security to a whole new set of Americans
    in the form of per-prisoner funding.. and thats just the downtrodden ones..
    the ones with family support go on to pay out of pocket for more education..
    taking on debt that they stand not a chance of getting to, say,
    open a business and create real opportunities for themselves and others..
    but they can get $60,000 to give to any mediocre school. it's all about that
    debt..
     
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    Ok. I agree with what you say. But there is no way we can solve all of those problems at once. There are some psycho/socia/spirituall issues concerning us, and I dont claim to have all the answers.

    Yes, the US education system needs a upgrade. You are right. We can not detach our problems from the educational environment, the education we are given in this country. It can change, but its not gonna happen overnight. Its too entrenched in the Eurocentric/Western perspective at this time. The entire economic system is vested in raising consumers and automatons.

    As for starting a business, that's an individual thing. Not all of us are capable or qualified to start a business. And higher education does lead to personal debt. Im not discrediting your point, but I have seen many, take this education system and become successful and raise families. Not all end up in the streets and in the prison systems.

    I dunno. Im not that smart. I just try to celebrate the ones who make it through, regardless of whether its public or private. And support the youth who are currently in this system, regardless if their dream is college or starting a business. For some of them, its a miracle that they can make do with a less than optimal education system.

    I say, this crappy system is here. You might as well try to use it to your advantage, until a better system comes along.
     
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    :toast: I agree....Everybody is not "college material."

    And those who would are kinesthetically talented need an education path which will enrich them mentally and financially in their adult lives/careers.
     
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    In all respect, I have heard much of this before both as a classroom teacher and as a union rep wo often was more concerned with overall working conditions for students AND staff. I did not put the health and safety of one above and beyond the other, especially working in classrooms which were always overcrowded sometimes twice the designed capacity.

    I highlighted the point above because while under contract I got paid for 6 hours work, I tended to work 12-13 hours a day, including adjunct duties, grading papers, attending in-services beyond those 6 hours with NO pay.

    What other profession requires an employee to work almost double time without compensation? Every day of the week and this does not take into account weekends. Nor does it factor in paying for student and classroom supplies without reimbursement or compensation for basic supplies which is the fundamental responsibility of PARENTS.

    So lets go to the so-called "value added" teacher evaluation process and merit pay while you are at it, both of which will result in further imbalance since it typically is Black MALE students whose classrooms are typically used as dumping grounds for special ed and other at-risk "problem" students while the white teachers are disproportionatly placed in AP, Magnet, GATE and accelerated classrooms.

    And folks wonder where the Black MALE teachers are at.

    Perhaps same-sex education can provide some solutions which the public system of mass schooling is not structured to address.

    Folks like to bash teachers and teacher's unions while rarely mentioning how jacked the structure of the school system is beginning with various layers of bureaucratic incompetence with virtually zero accountability and oversight.
     
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