Black Christians : A Bramble Bush or the Tree! The TROUBLE with Ancient Black Civilizations?

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    The Fig Tree~ The Same Today & Yesterday, part IV
     A Bramble Bush or the Tree

    For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs,
    nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes. ST LUKE 6:44.

    In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under
    the vine and under the fig tree. ZECHARIAH 3:10.

    And Gideon said unto them, I will not rule over you, neither shall my son rule over
    you: the LORD shall rule over you. JUDGES 8:23.

    The 70 + 1 Sons of Gideon~
    & His Son Abimelech’s Rage against His Brothers

    Jotham was the youngest of the 71 sons of Gideon, and Gideon was a famous Israelite man who had took the lead to fight for the Israelite people during a time when they were terribly suppressed under other Heberite civilizations that had reverted to White Supremacist beliefs. Later though, Jotham spoke out against a terrible attack against his brothers that had left them all slaughtered. These 70 sons of Gideon were actually executed byway of another of Gideon’s sons who had made an appeal to other Israelites to act in his favor and in order to support him as being a ruler over Israel after the death of Gideon. This son of Gideon named Abimelech, that had his other brothers killed, was the son of a servant woman. Jotham escaped death because he was able to hide during the killings but soon after, he briefly came out from hiding in order to charge the Israelites for what they had done and afterwards, he fled again and went into hiding. Amazingly, in his words against the other Israelites that operated with Abimelech in the killing of his brothers, Jotham used this well known prophecy and epithet of ‘the vine and the fig tree’ to speak out against this incredible act and thereby brings confirmation in regards to the entirety of this prophecy. Jotham’s words reiterates that this prophecy references INHERITANCE, and in its completeness, he proves that it includes the presence of ‘the original womankind’; Hamitic-typed women. All in all though, this terrible story of how a man’s sons were stocked and almost all of them killed byway of another son that he had from another kind of woman that he brought into his household becomes just another story out of many other similar stories that has plagued the original peoples of the African continent and beyond. Awful consequences have stemmed from this basis repeatedly throughout Black History and has been recorded again and again and yet, ancient Black civilizations like that of the Israelites still allowed themselves to constantly become vulnerable to this kind of act of hate and vengeance of which led to them becoming completely suppressed and eventually overthrown. And part of the process has to do with a failure to define themselves by a cultural identity and of which led them to become open to severe exploitation byway of other cultures of people who have sought to prey upon them.

    The core foundation of any culture that has been allowed to develop, in its origin would be based upon a woman and the continual dominant presence of similar kinds of women brought into that beginning generation of which, over a specific period of time, a commonality of customs forms and becomes determinant factors. These nurturers bring forth the kind of men that would be the same as the original man of their origins and this would be crucial in order to establish a strong culture. But when a ruler over a civilization in which develops from that core cultural basis bonds with a woman from another White Supremacist culture then there will arise a competition of cultures and it only becomes a matter of time before the Black culture imposed upon will become utterly destroyed. It becomes cultural genocide and only when a higher power intervenes can this be overcome. A great deception always occurs when kings and rulers of certain ancient Black Hamitic-typed civilizations bonded with certain foreign ‘Black’ women as well, and failed to acknowledge that some of them have White Supremacist beliefs and the kind of Black-white people from this basis will always undercut the Hamitic-type civilizations and the end result has always been total subjugation unless a higher power intervenes. It would only become a matter of time of which could manifest into the third and fourth generations, that Black Hamitic-type civilizations would become totally destroyed in this manner. The Bible strategically records Gideon’s son Abimelech’s mother as being ‘a servant woman’, but nevertheless, he was an Israelite man but because of his dual culture and the kind of culture that his mother was apart of, he became subjected to his mother’s people’s will to subdue the Israelites. Ultimately though, it becomes the ‘Black’ man who chooses to honor or dishonor his cultural identity and hurt the presence of Black Hamitic-typed women upon which would be his very basis.

    For some reason, Gideon chose to bond with a type of servant woman of which, her son eventually proved that he had no respect for Israelite people, to say the least, and all of Gideon’s good works and struggles for the Israelites would have been brought to nothing had it not been for God who made an intervention on behalf of Gideon through one of his other sons that being Jotham. This historical account too, reaches all the way back to the very beginning of the Israelite culture, even to father Israel [Jacob] of whom, himself, had some of his sons from servant women, and likewise, these sons initially caused trouble within the family circle as well:

    These are the generations of Jacob. Joseph, being seventeen years old, was
    feeding the flock with his brethren; and the lad was with the sons of Bilhah,
    and with the sons of Zilpah, his father's wives: and Joseph brought unto his
    father their evil report. GENESIS 37.2.

    It would be by the end of that very day, that Joseph was sold into slavery. However, God made an intervention on behalf of Jacob of which Jacob himself did not even realize until much later in life. Jehovah chose Joseph, who was the son of an Hamitic-typed woman, out of all of Jacob’s twelve sons to be the one who received the inheritance of a firstborn! For a fact, Joseph was the firstborn of the woman that Jacob chose to be his wife and God honored this because, had he not done so, all of Jacob’s good works would have been brought to nothing due to his shortcomings. All of Jacob’s generations eventually went into the land of Ham and over a period of time, many of them intermixed with the original Hamitic people of whom were suppressed down under the Egyptian system along with them. Like Gideon, father Israel’s choice to have multiple wives became a factor in the conflicts that came about amongst his other wives, but the voice of Black Hamitic-typed women have been suppressed under Black dominated governments for over thousands of years, and was not heard until after the coming of Jesus. Abimelech exacted the rage of his mother’s people upon the Israelites and, except for one, all of the sons of Gideon that came from the wives of inheritance were executed. Therefore, it would be byway of the Black Hamitic-typed man that the inherited rights of ancient Black Hamitic-typed women have been cut short. Unlike Abimelech though, there was another famous Israelite man name Jephthath of whom also was a son of a foreign woman and when conflicts arose, he chose not to take vengeance upon his father’s people. However, in this historical account and like Gideons’ 70 sons, hindsight shows that sometimes, God allows certain issues brought in from other cultures and imposed upon the Israelite cultures to manifest on their own and explode.

    Jephthath made a vow to God that involved human sacrifice and said that if he had gotten the victory over his enemies, then what ever came through his doors upon his return, he would sacrifice, and it ended up being his only child who was a daughter. He became a judge over Israel for the next six years and when he died, it ended his family line. But even after his death, there were other Israelite rulers during that period of Judges and up to the time of the kings, whether they were bi-cultural men or not, that bonded with other cultures of people of whom had no respect for Black Hamitic peoples but only sought to exploit them. According to the Bible, due to the actions of Solomon, God made an intercession on behalf of David his father, and preserved the culture of the Israelites through the Jewish-Israelites at that time and had it not been for this act of mercy, the Israelite culture would have been destroyed about a thousand years even before the coming of Jesus.

    Ultimately though, by the time that Jesus was on the scene, the Israelite Jews had submitted to Herod, a ethnic ruler to be their king, but he was neither an Israelite nor even a bi-cultural Israelite! They chose to be ruled over by a ‘Black’ man that had no connections to their culture but became a Jew by citizenship granted to him under the Roman law. Herod was from a dynasty, a line of men that had origins in other cultures and from another country. Herod was actually, not a king of the Jews, but he was a king over the Jews and within about thirty years after Jesus was Crucified, the Israelite-Jews began to be driven out of their homelands and scattered all over the world like the earlier Israelites of the Northern Nation of whom were overthrown some 700 years prior. All Jews became barred from Jerusalem and the name of Jerusalem was changed to be called Palestine and remained so for about the next 2000 years until modern times. So, from the time of father Israel up to the time of Jesus who was born from the virgin Mary, the inherited rights of Black Hamitic-typed women was subjected under the will of ancient Black Hamitic-typed men, and the story of Gideon and the fate of his sons shows a deep message that reveals this state of being. The words of one of Gideon’s sons, Jotham, in defense of his brothers and his own inherited rights shows a reality too, of how hatred, animosity and vengeance can rise up within a culture and how this kind of rage was initially instigated in a deceptive mode byway another culture of people.

    JOTHAM, the Youngest Son of Gideon

    Abimelech appealed to other Israelite men in a deceptive way to operate against his brothers, and he presented a false scenario to these Israelites in order to convince them to work in his favor to attack his brothers. He asked them whether or not they would want to be ruled over by 70 of Gideon’s sons or just one, being himself their next leader. After awhile the Israelites became furious at the thought of being suppressed under many rulers and therefore agreed to support Abimelech on how to deal with the other sons of Gideon. Now the deception goes way back to Gideon of whom was asked to become a leader when after he had gotten the victory for the Israelites. It was at that time that Gideon responded and told the people that he would not rule over them nor would his son:

    AndGideon said unto them, I will not rule over you, neither shall my son
    rule over you: the LORD shall rule over you. JUDGES 8:23.

    Therefore, Abimelech was deceptive because his father Gideon had already made a decree forty year prior that he, neither his son at that time, would take rule over the people and therefore he never began an inherited line of rulers. Abimelech was able to deceive the people over an issue that had long since been put down. Gideon never assumed leadership, therefore there was no basis for any of his sons to take leadership after his death. Abimelech exploited the Israelites and as a result, they became fearful of a false notion that had no basis in that they would become suppressed under a rule of 70 men, and so through deception, they chose to have a ruler over them. By deception did Abimelech become a king over Israel even before the time of the kingdom. He incited the Israelites to possess so much hatred against the sons of Gideon so much so, that they rounded up all of them and brutally executed them all except for one, that being Jotham, the 71st son, and Gideon’s youngest son. Jotham therefore hid himself and was able to escape the slaughter but soon after, he had gotten the courage to come out from hiding briefly to speak out against the Israelites for what they had done. He passionately brought to the forefront that his father put his life on the line for Israel and the Israelites repaid Gideon with this horror of a judgment:

    And all the men of Shechem gathered together, … and made Abimelech king, …And when they told it to Jotham, he went and stood in the top of mount Gerizim, and lifted up his voice, and cried, and said unto them, Hearken unto me, ye men of Shechem, that God may hearken unto you. The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive tree, Reign thou over us. But the olive tree said unto them, Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honour God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?

    And the trees said to the fig tree, Come thou, and reign over us. But the fig tree
    said unto them, Should I forsake my sweetness, and my good fruit, and go to be
    promoted over the trees?

    Then said the trees unto the vine, Come thou, and reign over us. And the vine
    said unto them, Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to
    be promoted over the trees?

    Then said all the trees unto the bramble, Come thou, and reign over us. And the
    bramble said unto the trees, If in truth ye anoint me king over you, then come and
    put your trust in my shadow: and if not, let fire come out of the bramble, and devour
    the cedars of Lebanon….

    (For my father fought for you, and adventured his life far, and delivered you out of the
    hand of Midian: And ye are risen up against my father's house this day, and have slain
    his sons, threescore and ten persons, upon one stone, and have made Abimelech, the
    son of his maidservant, king over the men of Shechem, because he is your brother…
    JUDGES 9:6-15, 17-18.

    The powerful impact and force of Jotham’s words against the Israelites cannot be understood in its completeness without a full understanding of the prophecy of ‘the vine and the fig tree’ which includes the scientific basis that becomes its foundation. Although the execution of his brothers was so horrific it would probably have been enough to cause most men in Jotham’s position to remain hidden, but not only did Jotham come forward to charge the perpetrators, but his words were like dynamite. He likened the Israelites to being cedar trees, and trees with substance and basically said that ‘if Abimelech was truly a tree or a vine that gives substance, then he would not have left off from the ground of which caused him to have substance but because his mother’s people had a weak cultural foundation that was not ‘a real tree’, he was envious of the Israelites and he burned with vengeance against them. This burning jealousy and hatred was ‘the fire that came out of the bramble’ that Jotham spoke of, and Jotham revealed to these Israelites that they had been deceived because, if Abimelech loathed his own brothers of whom were born from Israelite-typed women to the point that he would have them all slaughtered, then he would eventually turn on them as well.

    Jotham likened the Israelites as being trees, but he likened Abimelech to be a bush; a Bramble bush that brought forth no essence at all. He posed a picture of a strong culture and likened it to that of olive trees [oil trees] and this was the ancient symbol for ‘an anointed priesthood’, and Jotham relayed that if Abimelech’s maternal culture had a strong priesthood, then they would not want to leave their culture to reign over the Israelites. Then Jotham posed a picture of a strong culture and likened it to that of fig trees and this symbolizes ‘a strong Black culture’ and he relayed that if Abimelech’s maternal culture had a firm foundation, then they would not want to leave their inherited foundation in order to rule over another Black culture. Finally, Jotham likened a strong culture to that of vines and this also symbolizes a culture that was based upon ‘genetics and the blood relations’ and if Abimelech’s maternal people were based upon ‘blood relations’ in their foundation then, he would not be in a rage against his Israelite brothers that came from BLACK HAMITIC-TYPED WOMEN! Jotham revealed that the Israelites had been deceived into wanting a man to rule over them who was envious of the strong Israelite foundation with regards to having a strong priesthood, a strong inheritance, and strong blood ties that existed from early bonds made between both Black Hamitic-typed men and women. Ultimately though, when Jotham likened Abimelech to be ‘a Bramble bush’ and the Israelites to be ‘cedar trees’, ‘olive trees’, fig trees’ and ‘vines’, he conveyed that although Abimelech was ‘a Black Israelite man, he was not the real thing because he lacked substance! And that substance would be based upon a maternal foundation of which becomes the completion of a strong cultural identity.

    Abimelech’s maternal people were connected to the Canaanite Amorites [Hamor]. However, no thanks to the Israelites as a whole, but because of the creator who has made constant interventions from time to time, they have maintained this strong cultural bond for thousands and thousands of years. Abimelech reigned over Israel for the next three years, but because the creator made an intervention, he was brought down by a man who, like Abimelech, was connected to the Amorites [Hivite] and he did the same thing that Abimelech had done earlier and conspired with his relatives and other Israelites in order to go against Abimelech. Like Abimelech, this man’s goal was to rule over the Israelites but as an Amorite [Hamor], not as an Israelite. Therefore, this man, Gaal, fought against Abimelech-the-Israelite, and many Israelite men who fought with him were also killed by Abimelech’s forces in defense. Eventually, Gaal was defeated but ironically, the same Israelite men that fought with Abimelech and had killed Gideon’s sons were killed by either Abimelech’s forces or Gaal’s forces [on both sides of the foray]. Just as Jotham said, fire came out of the bramble bush, that being the Hivite-Amorites and devoured the trees that sought to be ruled over by a bramble! So in order to fully understand the mystery behind this prophecy of ‘the vine and the fig tree’ then, the words of Jotham in his comparison and contrast between the Bramble bush and the fig tree and etc. needs to have a complete revelation. In regards to science and ancient terminologies, both the Bramble bush and the fig tree are considered to produce blackberries, however, one would be a bush and the other a tree. In addition, there are other distinctions between the two but today’s scientist have brought much confusion because of their mistranslations and changes with respect to terminologies that was once used in ancient times to define the Blackberry trees. Cont.

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  2. Clyde C Coger Jr

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    In the Spirit of Sankofa,

    .......Wow!

    Peace In,
     
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    Excellent depiction of the birth of perversion. And as God's word illustrates, each generation carries "many kinds" to the next, whereby generational curses are birthed!

    Excellent post Sister Chevron!
     
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    This is indeed a bilbical take on the origin of human civilization...Is it one which can be subjected to being disputed by those of us who aren't believers? You tell me...
     
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    Clyde C Coger Jr going above and beyond PREMIUM MEMBER

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    In the Spirit of Sankofa,

    .......Here's what We will tell you chuck,

    This sub-forum is not the place for combative back and forth discourse, its the Christian Study Group. Hopefully, by virture of this exchange, Sister Destee will replace those requirements, scope and purpose of this particular forum; which was clearly mapped out at the old site.

    No disrespect brother and please don't misunderstand, but do seek clarity from the Sister, if necessary.

    Peace In,
     
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    So the option of censorship is in effect here...

    And so much for my freedom of speech....

    Do reread the constitution and/or of this nation...

    That's why our troops are somewhere else, allegedly defending 'our' rights, right?
     
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    In the Spirit of Sankofa,

    .......No, not at all chuck, no censorship. Sorry you feel that way about folks just trying to drill down on their respective belief systems of faith. There are many other study groups, here's proof to what I'm speaking about:

     
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    Hey Bro Chuck! I would suppose that other people who read the Bible but don't believe in the Bible could dispute Bible content amongst themselves. And of course, if people who aren't believers wanted to dispute issues with Believers, under a forum in which both side wish to engage in that sort of dispute, it can happen. You never know, good things could come out of such a debate on both sides! But for now, I posted in tihs section to share amongst believers or anyone who might believe based on what I have shared.

    Thank you for your thoughts.
     
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    Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Thank you so much for your comment! I'm so honored!
     
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