Black People : $34.06 an Hour That’s how much the average public school teachers makes. Is that “und

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  1. dandan

    dandan Well-Known Member MEMBER

    Dec 8, 2006
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    $34.06 an Hour
    That’s how much the average public school teachers makes. Is that “underpaid”?

    Who, on average, is better paid–public school teachers or architects? How about teachers or economists? You might be surprised to learn that public school teachers are better paid than these and many other professionals. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, public school teachers earned $34.06 per hour in 2005, 36% more than the hourly wage of the average white-collar worker and 11% more than the average professional specialty or technical worker.

    In the popular imagination, however, public school teachers are underpaid. “Salaries are too low. We all know that,” noted First Lady Laura Bush, expressing the consensus view. “We need to figure out a way to pay teachers more.” Indeed, our efforts to hire more teachers and raise their salaries account for the bulk of public school spending increases over the last four decades. During that time per-pupil spending, adjusted for inflation, has more than doubled; overall we now annually spend more than $500 billion on public education.

    The perception that we underpay teachers is likely to play a significant role in the debate to reauthorize No Child Left Behind. The new Democratic majority intends to push for greater education funding, much of which would likely to go toward increasing teacher compensation. It would be beneficial if the debate focused on the actual salaries teachers are already paid.

    It would also be beneficial if the debate touched on the correlation between teacher pay and actual results. To wit, higher teacher pay seems to have no effect on raising student achievement. Metropolitan areas with higher teacher pay do not graduate a higher percentage of their students than areas with lower teacher pay.

    In fact, the urban areas with the highest teacher pay are famous for their abysmal outcomes. Metro Detroit leads the nation, paying its public school teachers, on average, $47.28 per hour. That’s 61% more than the average white-collar worker in the Detroit area and 36% more than the average professional worker. In metro New York, public school teachers make $45.79 per hour, 20% more than the average professional worker in that area. And in Los Angeles teachers earn $44.03 per hour, 23% higher than other professionals in the area.

    Evidence suggests that the way we pay teachers is more important than simply what they take home. Currently salaries are determined almost entirely by seniority–the number of years in the classroom–and the number of advanced degrees accumulated. Neither has much to do with student improvement.

    There is evidence that providing bonuses to teachers who improve the performance of their students does raise academic proficiency. With our colleagues at the University of Arkansas we found that a Little Rock program providing bonuses to teachers based on student gains on standardized tests substantially increased math proficiency. Researchers at the University of Florida recently found similar results in a nationwide evaluation.

    Of course, public school teacher earnings look less impressive when viewed on an annual basis than on an hourly basis. This is because teachers tend to work fewer hours per year, with breaks during the summer, winter and spring. But comparing earnings on an annual basis would be inappropriate when teachers work significantly fewer hours than do other workers. Teachers can use that time to be with family, to engage in activities that they enjoy, or to earn additional money from other employment. That time off is worth money and cannot simply be ignored when comparing earnings. The appropriate way to compare earnings in this circumstance is to focus on hourly rates.

    Moreover, the earnings data reported here, which are taken directly from the National Compensation Survey conducted by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, do not include retirement and health benefits, which tend to be quite generous for public school teachers relative to other workers. Nor do they include the nonmonetary benefit of greater job security due to the tenure that most public school teachers enjoy.

    Educators sometimes object that hourly earnings calculations do not capture the additional hours they work outside of school, but this objection is not very compelling. First, the National Compensation Survey is designed to capture all hours actually worked. And teachers are hardly the only wage earners who take work home with them.

    The fact is that teachers are better paid than most other professionals. What matters is the way that we pay public school teachers, not the amount. The next time politicians call for tax increases to address the problem of terribly underpaid public school teachers, they might be reminded of these facts.
  2. mrron

    mrron Well-Known Member MEMBER

    Jun 23, 2006
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    The article doesn't really define what an average school teacher is, in terms of experience and education. Here in the state of Delaware, I know a few school teachers making $65,000 a year and more, but they all have more than ten years experience and at least a master's degree. Starting out, the salary is much lower, probably less than $30,000 a year. So the experienced teachers, might be the one's bringing up the average pay, in certain areas. I personally don't think they are underpaid in most areas. But when a new graduate is looking at starting salaries, they might not be attracted to teaching.

    I agree that they should have to perform to certain standards to maintain these salaries. we can't afford to have kids dropping out of school at age 16 because they can't yet read and write.
  3. OmowaleX

    OmowaleX Well-Known Member MEMBER

    Jun 23, 2002
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    There is one mistake that you are making here.

    For one, teachers are generally paid for a SIX hour day, do NOT get paid for overtime, and grading papers, exams, reports etc. can often result in getting paid for SIX hours while having to put in 10 or 11 hours perday, including weekends.

    Another point I want to make is that MOST teachers do NOT last in the profession more than FIVE years.

    What happens is when most provisional credentials expire after five years MOST new teachers do NOT bother to take the extra coursework required to renew their credentials, and the same occurs for many who every five years must renew by taking specified hours of professional development coursework.

    Continuing Education for teachers never ends in most states whereas in other professions it is not a requirement to take speified hours of coursework. Furthermore, this coursework does not necessarily result in higher pay. Also, most salary schedules max out after 10 years, with incremental adjustments every four or five years, and this again generally requires additional coursework to gain more credits before one maxs out.

    Furthermore, I must really question your figures. I doubt seriously that the AVERAGE teacher in Los Angeles earns over $40 per hour.

    When I "retired" in 2005 I was earning $41 per hour and was on the 2nd highest tier (26/10) with over 10 years of service, and I was making far more than the "average" teacher. In fact, with extra duty I earned nearly double the salary of most teachers with 5 years or less experience.
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    Median annual earnings of kindergarten, elementary, middle, and secondary school teachers ranged from $41,400 to $45,920 in May 2006; the lowest 10 percent earned $26,730 to $31,180; the top 10 percent earned $66,240 to $71,370. Median earnings for preschool teachers were $20,980.

    According to the American Federation of Teachers, beginning teachers with a bachelor’s degree earned an average of $31,704 in the 2005–06 school year. The estimated average salary of all public elementary and secondary school teachers in the 2005–06 school year was $46,597. Private school teachers generally earn less than public school teachers, but may be given other benefits, such as free or subsidized housing.

    I think they get a fair share of wage yearly for the time they work within the year.