Black People : 2,000 Year Old Glider: Ancient Flying?

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  1. tyab14

    tyab14 Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Did the Ancients know about physical aerodynamics such as flight, gliding, etc?

    In room 22 of the Egyptian Museum in Cairo, Egypt, there is a wooden object that appears very similar to a modern airplane or glider. In fact, it is so similar that some have offered it as proof that the ancient Egyptians possessed the technology of flight. The artifact (Special Register No. 6347; the number 33109 is written on the bottom of the port wing) is made of wood and has a length of 5.6 inches (14.2 cm) and a wingspan of 7.2 inches (18.3 cm). It was found in a tomb near Saqqara in 1898 and has been dated to about 200 B.C.

    The seed of the theory that the model represents an example of a working aircraft can be traced to Khalil Messiha, Professor of Anatomy for the Artists at Helwan University (and member of the Royal Aeromodellars Club, Egypt, and the Egyptian Aeronautical club). According to Messiha, (in Messiha, Khalil, Guirguis Messiha, Gamal Mokhtar, and Michael Frenchman. "African Experimental Aeronautics: A 2,000-Year-Old Model Glider" in Van Sertima, ed. Blacks in Science: Ancient and Modern, 1983, pp.92-99) the model is made of sycamore wood and weighs 39.120 gms. Of the wings he wrote, "One can note also that there is a Dihedral angle which is slightly unequal on both sides due to slight distortion of the wood, caused by the passage of time... The body is made of the same wood as the wing and has an aerofoil shape beautifully carved and smooth. Its nose is pyramidal in shape with one eye painted on its right surface." He added that "there is no trace of any decoration of 'feathers' painted on the body with the exception of the eye, and two faint reddish lines surrounding the belly under the grooves." He makes no mention of any holes on the top of the tail, nor did he observe grooves on the tail that might accommodate a tailplane. Everything about this Messiha's physical observation of the model appears to be accurate. He did add, however, "The lower part of the tail is broken [i.e. flat] which I think may be an evidence that the tail was attached there." It is notable that by close examination of the photographs, a flattening on top of the tail is also evident. He places great weight on the lack of feather decoration and the absence of legs as an indication that the model was not meant to represent a bird. The other bird models include these features, he insists. Of the model's flightworthiness, he wrote, "I have already made a similar balsa wood model, and added the tailplane (which I suppose was lost) and was not astonished to find that it could sail in the air for a few yards when thrown by hand." (p. 94) Messiha concluded that "This ancient aeroplane model represents a diminutive of an original monoplane still present in Saqqara." (p. 97; to see drawings of the model by Messiha and others, click here.)

    The article in Blacks in Science is actually comprised of three articles (the first was quoted above). Gamal Mokhtar wrote that Messiha saw the model in its glass case and saw that it was different from the other birds "because birds' tails are horizontal, while aeroplanes have vertical tails." (p. 97) Michael Frenchman, however, added some of his own embellishments to the story. He wrote that Messiha "came across the glider model in 1969 when he was looking through a box of bird models in one of the Cairo Museum's storerooms... Furthermore there is a groove under the fin for a tailplane which is missing." (p. 98) Here he misquotes Messiha, and perhaps begins the oft-repeated "groove-on-the-tail" misinformation. He also wrote that the model "looks remarkably futuristic and bears a close resemblance to the American Hercules transport aircraft which has a distinctive reverse dihedral wing." Again, he concluded that "the find is a scale model of a full-sized flying machine of some kind." (p. 99)


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  2. Knowledge Seed

    Knowledge Seed Well-Known Member MEMBER

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    Of course they knew flying. Its a lot of ancient tales about UFO's and stuff. We know it wasn't no aliens building those "UFOs". It was us!
     
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    "There are some very strange hieroglyphics in the Temple of Osiris at Abydos. According to many UFO enthusiasts and Atlantis proponents, these glyphs depict highly developed crafts, specifically a helicopter, a submarine, some form of flying saucer, and a jet plane. What are these inscriptions all about?"

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    Fourteen model airplanes found in various tombs may be
    replicas of full size airplanes of over 2,000 years ago.
    One model recently flew perfectly, demonstrating a knowledge of
    aerodynamics on the part of its makers.16
    As most Egyptian tomb models are linked to larger originals, it is
    possible that under the desert sands there may be remains of life-size gliders.
    Clearly the models were not accidental or merely toys. Rather, they
    were the end product of an enormous body of computation and
    experimentation, embodying principles of aircraft design that have taken
    European and American designers a century of experimental work to
    discover and perfect.


    After studying some of the almost impossible feats Africankind has been able to produce I don't see why not. There are a couple of scientists that have offered up a couple of theories surrounding this, a few that I've said before as well. It's possible that the gravitation field of the Earth is different now, our Ancients perhaps did not have the same level of gravitation we now. So when we look at amazing landmarks like stonehenge for example or even the pyramids- while "electromagnetic technology" is also a possibility- we should also consider that as Earth changes so does it's gravitational pull.

    "Gravity variance" as is very common, yet how many in the public know about this? That gravity is not the same all over the planet?
    It's possible that all "anti-gravitation" technology used to cause say UFOs to fly are based gravity variance. The theory suggests that Ancient flight was even possible with materials that would seem heavy to us today. Gravity variance might also be responsible for the changes going on that are attributed to global warming. Gravity is getting weaker now therefore it would be possible to jump higher and even bounce from placed to place similar to how the comic book Hulk travels in the future.

    The other theory suggests that "some" Africans were already traveling from distant worlds and had the knowledge of flight, which also supports another theory that Africans had long settled in America, because where would we be flying too? Obviously canvasing out the planet.

    The Incas are also known for building planes as well.

    http://www.2atoms.com/weird/ancient/plane.htm
     
  5. brown_h0rnet

    brown_h0rnet Master of All Trades... Jack of None PREMIUM MEMBER

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    DAS RIGHT!

    True that... people are now trying to say that alot this UFO technology is from the Nazis
    http://www.naziufos.com/

    The NAZIS stole everything from US, including the Swastika, which used to be a positive symbol -> 4 X 90 degree angles = 360 degrees of knowledge (The Sun)
     
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