Black People Politics : ▶ Republicans, Dems and "Progressives" unite telling blacks "We'll never give you reparations."

Perfection

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Let me be clear: I argue that if after you've seen the evidence here presented and you still believe voting (as currently structured) is tenable, then I consider that action (that voting works for blacks) is the act of deceiving oneself. That's my argument. It's not personal but intellectual. I maintain that black voting, as it stands, is inoperable to the black polity.

And I offer a challenge to anyone to disprove my contention.

Here are the two pieces of evidence:


EXHIBIT 1

1925

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EXHIBIT 2

2018

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Now if one approaches in their feelings, well, feelings don't count.

If one comes with "Well, our people died for the voting right." OK, prove it.

But if not, the defense rests.
 

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Here's a snippet from the famous Dred Scott decision of 1857.

The language of the Declaration of Independence is equally conclusive:

It begins by declaring that, 'when in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and nature's God entitle them, a decent respect for the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.'

It then proceeds to say: 'We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among them is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.'

The general words above quoted would seem to embrace the whole human family, and if they were used in a similar instrument at this day would be so understood. But it is too clear for dispute, that the enslaved African race were not intended to be included, and formed no part of the people who framed and adopted this declaration; for if the language, as understood in that day, would embrace them, the conduct of the distinguished men who framed the Declaration of Independence would have been utterly and flagrantly inconsistent with the principles they asserted; and instead of the sympathy of mankind, to which they so confidently appealed, they would have deserved and received universal rebuke and reprobation.

Yet the men who framed this declaration were great men-high in literary acquirements-high in their sense of honor, and incapable of asserting principles inconsistent with those on which they were acting. They perfectly understood the meaning of the language they used, and how it would be understood by others; and they knew that it would not in any part of the civilized world be supposed to embrace the negro race, which, by common consent, had been excluded from civilized Governments and the family of nations, and doomed to slavery. They spoke and acted according to the then established doctrines and principles, and in the ordinary language of the day, and no one misunderstood them. The unhappy black race were separated from the white by indelible marks, and laws long before established, and were never thought of or spoken of except as property, and when the claims of the owner or the profit of the trader were supposed to need protection
. [Dred Scott v. Sandford, United States Supreme Court, 1857].

After reading that, how can the light still shine in a black person's eyes regarding voting?

Besides cell phones, flat screen televisions and social media, what has changed as it relates to voting equating to black empowerment, much less liberation?

How has voting taken the edge off black suffering and misery?

You know what’s more interesting is what happened on March 6, 1857 which many historians fail to highlight but we'll speak about it here. See, they like to focus on the lower court where the initial decision came from. They try to keep the mind focused on the Missouri Supreme Court. But it was later the U.S. Supreme Court (where Kavanaugh now is) ruled that Constitutional protections were not entitled to Scott because, like the Missouri Supreme court ruled, he was not a legal citizen of the United States because in the eyes of the Constitution he was property.

Put another way, the United States Supreme Court agreed with its satellite court that black people ain't (the s word here).

If one bypasses the fluff and alarmist sentiments about the dangers of not voting, I’m not seeing one valid argument –not one—to maintain voting is tenable for the black polity.

From my life experiences, the political process (voting included) continues to reflect the wishes of the 1857 decision. Isn’t admitting this fact the prelude to real change rather than continual self-deluding?
 

Senegal

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Let me be clear: I argue that if after you've seen the evidence here presented and you still believe voting (as currently structured) is tenable, then I consider that action (that voting works for blacks) is the act of deceiving oneself. That's my argument. It's not personal but intellectual. I maintain that black voting, as it stands, is inoperable to the black polity.

And I offer a challenge to anyone to disprove my contention.

Here are the two pieces of evidence:


EXHIBIT 1

1925

View attachment 13413


EXHIBIT 2

2018

View attachment 13414


Now if one approaches in their feelings, well, feelings don't count.

If one comes with "Well, our people died for the voting right." OK, prove it.

But if not, the defense rests.
Voting, as Blacks currently do it, on its own wont remedy much but the battle needs to be fought on all fronts. Basically its the lesser of two evils approach. Politicians are keenly aware of what demographics are voting. Politics is the epitome of power. It takes power to maintain or create laws that benefit us. When Blacks dont vote you get clowns like Drumpf elected along with his white nationalist VP Pence.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/12/black-voter-turnout-fell-in-2016-even-as-a-record-number-of-americans-cast-ballots/ft_17-05-10_voter-turnout/

I think instead of saying its useless to vote we can amend that to saying we shouldnt openly pledge allegiance to one party or another. Black people should register as undeclared or independent voters and demand something in return for our vote. Dems take us for granted because they know most of us know repubs are racists. I bet a mass change in the party we are registered to will get their attention.
 

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Politics is the epitome of power. It takes power to maintain or create laws that benefit us. When Blacks dont vote you get clowns like Drumpf elected along with his white nationalist VP Pence.
Ok, so would you mind naming one thing Obama had done --as president--to empower the American black voter?
 

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"The Voting Rights Act of 1965, signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson, aimed to overcome legal barriers at the state and local levels that prevented African Americans from exercising their right to vote as guaranteed under the 15th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The Voting Rights Act is considered one of the most far-reaching pieces of civil rights legislation in U.S. history." https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/voting-rights-act

Ok, we just read "The Voting Rights Act of 1965." Think about that. What that says is blacks need a law to allow them to vote. They need to be protected from those who don't want them to vote. (Question: If you're an American citizen, why the need for protection?).

That's right, even your voting is not guaranteed.

How can the black American voter not see the mockery in that?

How does it make you feel to know that your voting privileges are at the prerogative of a politician's whim?

So then, how can one even pass the straight-face-test when they tell another "your vote counts"?

Obama was hip to the game. He knows we don't have any real voting power. When you have a moment, look at this 2015 article: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/250913-obama-pushes-congress-to-renew-voting-rights-act

He says this "progress" has to be "defended." Huh? But I thought we citizens and the right to vote comes with the game by default like breathing?

Why black people gotta have a special law passed to breathe?

While you're considering how blacks ain't really got no voting power outside it being "allowed," with all due respect, let me begin to show you some proof.

Peep this. Stephen B. Weeks (1894) The History of Negro Suffrage in the South, Page 681. Here's something I want you to chew on:

The fourteenth amendment advanced the negro to the status of a citizen, but did nothing affirmatively to confer [voting] upon him; it aided him negatively by imposing a penalty of his exclusion. Nor did the fifteenth amendment give him the right to vote; it merely invested the citizen of the United States with the right to be exempt from discrimination in the exercise of the elective franchise, on account of his race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

That snippet from back in 1894 is telling black people the worth of their "voting" power back then is the same as it is now in 2018---despite amendments 14 and 15.

And how can one dispute it when all you have to do is keep it a buck and see our collective condition.

Voting does not work for black bodies in America.
 

Senegal

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Ok, so would you mind naming one thing Obama had done --as president--to empower the American black voter?
Other than get elected and provide a visual of a Black family at the apex of power? Dont underestimate the optics. That by itself was a powerful boost to the Black race.

How about the ACA? Thats going to be his enduring legacy. Prior to that nationally mandated health care was a pipe dream. For Black people that has given most access to health care they didnt have before. As you can see thats going nowhere and it will get better.

How about finally getting the Black farmers their payout in their suit against the government discriminating against them? It had been a decade since it was settled out of court and they still hadnt been paid.

My bad thats three.
 

Senegal

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"The Voting Rights Act of 1965, signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson, aimed to overcome legal barriers at the state and local levels that prevented African Americans from exercising their right to vote as guaranteed under the 15th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The Voting Rights Act is considered one of the most far-reaching pieces of civil rights legislation in U.S. history." https://www.history.com/topics/black-history/voting-rights-act

Ok, we just read "The Voting Rights Act of 1965." Think about that. What that says is blacks need a law to allow them to vote. They need to be protected from those who don't want them to vote. (Question: If you're an American citizen, why the need for protection?).

That's right, even your voting is not guaranteed.

How can the black American voter not see the mockery in that?

How does it make you feel to know that your voting privileges are at the prerogative of a politician's whim?

So then, how can one even pass the straight-face-test when they tell another "your vote counts"?

Obama was hip to the game. He knows we don't have any real voting power. When you have a moment, look at this 2015 article: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/250913-obama-pushes-congress-to-renew-voting-rights-act

He says this "progress" has to be "defended." Huh? But I thought we citizens and the right to vote comes with the game by default like breathing?

Why black people gotta have a special law passed to breathe?

While you're considering how blacks ain't really got no voting power outside it being "allowed," with all due respect, let me begin to show you some proof.

Peep this. Stephen B. Weeks (1894) The History of Negro Suffrage in the South, Page 681. Here's something I want you to chew on:

The fourteenth amendment advanced the negro to the status of a citizen, but did nothing affirmatively to confer [voting] upon him; it aided him negatively by imposing a penalty of his exclusion. Nor did the fifteenth amendment give him the right to vote; it merely invested the citizen of the United States with the right to be exempt from discrimination in the exercise of the elective franchise, on account of his race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

That snippet from back in 1894 is telling black people the worth of their "voting" power back then is the same as it is now in 2018---despite amendments 14 and 15.

And how can one dispute it when all you have to do is keep it a buck and see our collective condition.

Voting does not work for black bodies in America.
"Think about that. What that says is blacks need a law to allow them to vote."

We needed a constitutional amendment not to be outright enslaved too. Are you saying that if we need a law to protect us from slavery and give us the ability to vote then we should just let those laws be removed from the books by not voting? When you make a proposal one should consider pros and cons. I'm not getting your end game here. What do we gain by not voting? What do we lose by voting?
 

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The facts are, that blacks did not vote in large numbers which caused the current dilema. I submit that any black person that does not vote is no less than a traitor to the race. Too many died for the right to believe or even consider your false equivalence


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The facts are, that blacks did not vote in large numbers which caused the current dilema. I submit that any black person that does not vote is no less than a traitor to the race. Too many died for the right to believe or even consider your false equivalence


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"You're [emotionally] drunk and you're angry and in no condition to fight a professional soldier"----Zorro
 

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The facts are, that blacks did not vote in large numbers which caused the current dilema. I submit that any black person that does not vote is no less than a traitor to the race. Too many died for the right to believe or even consider your false equivalence


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Are you serious? We only make up 13% of the population in this country. We do not have the numbers to drastically affect national political outcomes. We did not elect Obama, it was White people who did that. So you should focuse on that 53 percent of voting white women who are the ones to actually cause this mess. I mean really, why are we so willing to point the finger at ourselves instead of the White women, who outnumber us in massive numbers, who voted for Trump?

Blaming Black people for Trump is idiotic on so many levels.
 

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