Black People Politics : ▶ Republicans, Dems and "Progressives" unite telling blacks "We'll never give you reparations."

Any black person or person of color that doesn't vote in this election, is a traitor to the race!!!!! Any black person or person of color that encourages others not to vote is worse!!!!



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"No Supreme Court, liberal or conservative, will stop the war in Iraq, or redistribute the wealth of this country, or establish free medical care for every human being. Such fundamental change will depend, the experience of the past suggests, on the actions of an aroused citizenry, demanding that the promise of the Declaration of Independence--an equal right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness--be fulfilled." unquote

https://progressive.org/op-eds/howard-zinn-despair-supreme-court/
 
I have lived this history. I have seen what can happen. You just do your part and vote. Make sure you encourage your family and friends to do the same. This is a local election. The electoral college holds no sway. So, if Hillary or whoever runs for senate, congress or dog catcher, the winner this time is the one with the most votes.



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You’re emotions seem to be clouding your ability to think logically. The question now before you is simple: Enumerate the benefits of blacks voting which yields tangible benefits for ordinary black people like me and my neighbors? Simply responding saying “vote because…” is not a benefit (no matter how many times you repeat it) but demonstrates you lack a single benefit for black voting which, by default, proves my contention that blacks voting appears to be nonsensical.

I’m about to divest you of your only crutch you possess in perpetuating this Santa Claus-related process.

May I draw your attention to Dr. Martin Luther King’s “Give us the Ballot” speech dated May 17, 1957. As he gives a background of why blacks should be able to vote, he goes on to list a number of things why blacks' votes should be meaningful.

Here's some of that list. He says:

1-Give us the ballot and we will no longer have to worry the federal government about our basic rights.

2-Give us the ballot and we will no longer plead to the federal government for passage of an anti-lynching law; we will by the power of our vote write the law on the statute books of the southern states and bring an end to the dastardly acts of the hooded perpetrators of violence.

3-Give us the ballot and we will transform the salient misdeeds of blood-thirsty mobs into calculated good deeds of orderly citizens.

4-Give us the ballot and we will fill our legislative halls with men of good will, and send to the sacred halls of Congressmen who will not sign a Southern Manifesto, because of their devotion to the manifesto of justice.

5-Give us the ballot and we will place judges on the benches of the South who will "do justly and love mercy," and we will place at the head of the southern states governors who have felt not only the tang of the human, but the glow of the divine.

I bet you don’t wanna go over each one in detail and attempt to reconcile the list with black voting and results, do you? Assuming you will avoid doing that, I’m needing you instead to understand what Dr. King is articulating there because we have those who carelessly use ridiculous excuses parallel to your own hiding behind King’s good name to justify the continual utility of failed strategies from the 60s and thereby keep good meaning black voters running in place not going anywhere.

Dr. King is saying give us the vote so that we can vote and when we can vote, we’ll do what? We’ll get something in return. No where do you see him saying in his list to “vote just because.”

Dr. King or no one else during those great times of the 60s ever stated that black people should continue to vote even after decade after decade it has proven to yield ordinary black people zero results.

Black people in denial of their voting impotence have artistically mischaracterized the purpose of the black vote.

In other words, voting is meant to be meaningful and positive, result-driven and not for “optics.”

“It is unfortunate,” said Dr. Carter G. Woodson back in 1933, “…that such a large number of Negroes do not know any better than to stake their whole fortune on politics. History does not show that any race, especially a minority group, has ever solved an important problem by relying altogether on one thing, certainly not by parking its political strength on one side of the fence because of empty promises.” [The Mis-Education of the Negro, page 94].
 
Tell yourself that, but in the face of logic and mathematical analysis your belief is absolutely incorrect. You can think we as a people played a major part, but the true power brokers know that our part was relatively minor in the grand scheme of things. Just like our part in keeping Trump out of office was minor too, if you understand population centers and how the Electoral College works. Remember Hillary won the popular vote, but the popular vote does not elect presidents. It is the Electoral college that does that...
Hello Hermetic, So I consider that your point here protected us from having a Hillary who is a career Democrat as part of an inept, personal promoting motivation for running for president, whose idea of foreign politics is a red button gadget to give out to Russian Minister Lavrov, considering that would be taken seriously and was a winning move in foreign affairs.

Also she dismissed cries for help from those within our own embassy when we had the pilots ready to go and she thought it no emergency and cared nothing about American blood. What about "Nobody left behind?!" Hillary evidently thought that just bad poetry. So that was a win for us from the Electoral College.
 
You’re emotions seem to be clouding your ability to think logically. The question now before you is simple: Enumerate the benefits of blacks voting which yields tangible benefits for ordinary black people like me and my neighbors? Simply responding saying “vote because…” is not a benefit (no matter how many times you repeat it) but demonstrates you lack a single benefit for black voting which, by default, proves my contention that blacks voting appears to be nonsensical.

I’m about to divest you of your only crutch you possess in perpetuating this Santa Claus-related process.

May I draw your attention to Dr. Martin Luther King’s “Give us the Ballot” speech dated May 17, 1957. As he gives a background of why blacks should be able to vote, he goes on to list a number of things why blacks' votes should be meaningful.

Here's some of that list. He says:

1-Give us the ballot and we will no longer have to worry the federal government about our basic rights.

2-Give us the ballot and we will no longer plead to the federal government for passage of an anti-lynching law; we will by the power of our vote write the law on the statute books of the southern states and bring an end to the dastardly acts of the hooded perpetrators of violence.

3-Give us the ballot and we will transform the salient misdeeds of blood-thirsty mobs into calculated good deeds of orderly citizens.

4-Give us the ballot and we will fill our legislative halls with men of good will, and send to the sacred halls of Congressmen who will not sign a Southern Manifesto, because of their devotion to the manifesto of justice.

5-Give us the ballot and we will place judges on the benches of the South who will "do justly and love mercy," and we will place at the head of the southern states governors who have felt not only the tang of the human, but the glow of the divine.

I bet you don’t wanna go over each one in detail and attempt to reconcile the list with black voting and results, do you? Assuming you will avoid doing that, I’m needing you instead to understand what Dr. King is articulating there because we have those who carelessly use ridiculous excuses parallel to your own hiding behind King’s good name to justify the continual utility of failed strategies from the 60s and thereby keep good meaning black voters running in place not going anywhere.

Dr. King is saying give us the vote so that we can vote and when we can vote, we’ll do what? We’ll get something in return. No where do you see him saying in his list to “vote just because.”

Dr. King or no one else during those great times of the 60s ever stated that black people should continue to vote even after decade after decade it has proven to yield ordinary black people zero results.

Black people in denial of their voting impotence have artistically mischaracterized the purpose of the black vote.

In other words, voting is meant to be meaningful and positive, result-driven and not for “optics.”

“It is unfortunate,” said Dr. Carter G. Woodson back in 1933, “…that such a large number of Negroes do not know any better than to stake their whole fortune on politics. History does not show that any race, especially a minority group, has ever solved an important problem by relying altogether on one thing, certainly not by parking its political strength on one side of the fence because of empty promises.” [The Mis-Education of the Negro, page 94].

The biggest fallacy in your post is the assumption that optics does not produce meaning and positive, result driven outcomes. There is an entire industry that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that optics is probably the most powerful social force on the planet. Its called the marketing industry. This industry provides you optics purposely geared to introduce new concepts, (like a Black POTUS hello Morgan Freeman) make you feel patriotic, make you feel good, make you feel bad, or to make you experience a fear of loss. Using just these optics the population is induced to part with their money to the tune of billions if not trillions of dollars every year. Its pretty naive to say optics is not important. Our brains are geared by evolution to operate by visualizing concepts. Before we can do something we must visualize it first. The most successful see people that look like themselves first doing it. There is a reason a significant number of our youth see themselves as a NBA or NFL players more so than say a wildlife biologist. Its optics.


There are two points you seem to keep evading that during the course of this discussion I have brought up.

1. What makes a person Black since you claim a biracial person is not Black? I'm having trouble picturing Bob Marley as not Black. Same with the twin directors the Hughes brothers or Kamala Harris even.

2. What does the Black condition in the US ultimately look like to you by not voting and what is beneficial about that?
 

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