In the Spirit of Sankofa and Truth! cherryblossom, There is nothing wrong with you using the scripture with me in this discussion, although you say "debate." The problem continues to be the manner in which you took pleasure in doing so, it seems. Repeatedly, I have said it was frivolously done, and will continue to think and say that. There is no assurance you can give that it wasn't done in that manner, when you are dead-set on dodging the initial questions, which were offered for introspection only. For example, here are your words: let's say that I did know You KNEW what it meant AND that YOU are aware that it applies to you as well...Let's say, you say, Let's say, wow, how frivolous is that sister? Besides, do you not recall, I needed no direct answers? How long will this back and forth ranting continue? What is the point? And no, I'm not the one taking it personal, you are the one sister cherryblossom. Actually, you severely misunderstood my statement of there being only one interpretation of scripture. The Word of God is not ambiguous, it has only one meaning from its author, not several different opposing points of view. It is up to us to find that one meaning, through the methodology I laid out, about which methodology you had no comment. So, do you disagree with the methodology I cited earlier? It wouldn't surprize me at all if you disagree!
Bro Clyde, I certainly do not want to interject any comments that would 'taint' our conversation so, I am advised. Thank you. And I will be cautious and seek productive ways to enjoy our discourse. I still have hope that I could be apart of some kind of a 'round table' group in which I could share my part of research and enhance certain topics of which I have spent time on and, your research has definitely attracted me!
Yes Bro Clyde! I so love the Bible records and enjoy our friendship and also, Sister cherryblossom's commitment to the Most High as well. It would be so great to have a 'round table' forum continually and I have much hope in this. In my opinion, and as an African American, I find it discouraging as a writer to not have the ready resources such as degreed/disciplined editors avaliable all of the time of whom can offer researched editing [a costly endeavor]. Even today's cartoons are edited by degreed scientist and script writers! That is why I enjoy the benefit of message boards like Sister Destee's; it puts me in contact with people like you of whom has done research on topics that I too have researched. In regards to 'the four women' being written out of 'the Book of Life', yes! --I would love to shed some more light in lieu of my research: In regards to this thread too, I want to recap first. I was so happy to see Da Street So'ja's comment concerning MUTATION in that 'white' was not the only thing that got mutated and then, Bro. Kemetstry came behind him and brought up 'the mark of Cain'. My approach to 'the mark of Cain' is that I'm still looking at the idea of MUTATION in regards to other GENETIC FACTORS as well. I'm still wondering what, if any, impact mankind has on Mutation. Mankind has certainly tried many things in regards to altering life and reproduction so, I consider issues such as; 'Mermaids'; there are no half-fish/half humans today and, there are no half-pigs/half-humans... I would not put it passed mankind that they have not tried to breed different kinds of dogs and such like so, why would there not be any efforts to cause MUTATION to occur in other ways? These IDEAS correlate to mankinds frustration with CREATION and also, the hatred that Satan has against the CREATOR for creating 'the Adam man'. These are the kinds of questions that I think about when I consider 'the mark of Cain' in relation to 'mutation'. I take a scientific approach to the idea of 'the mark' perhaps being 'a mark that can also be seen in his generations' of which brings me to 'the four women in the ark'. 4022 BC -- 3882 -- 2350 -- AD 2 [the Star of Bethlehem] -- 2002 -- When I consider the Great World Flood and the four women, I place that event on a timeline and this timeline is based upon the appearance of the Star that came in orbit in our solar system. Based upon the time of the flood and the time when Noah came out of his tent to pronounce judgment against CANAAN, there was a TIME GAP that needs to be considered. This Time Gap reveals that Canaan, the son of Noah had been on the earth for a long time and also reveals that NOAH was deceived and that was why he came out of his tent angry. The other issue was actually given to me by two African American men. I don't know if I would have ever seen it had they not brought it to my attention. They showed me in the Bible where the definition of 'nakedness' and then they showed me that part of the issue of Noah's anger was because of his wife. Later, I did more research and found out, as you wrote in your book, that incest had occurred. If you look at the actual account of what happened, it might become apparent that Noah almost 'judged' his wife! The sin of incest, as you said, did no go to Ham because, NOAH, the high priest of the earth, took responsibility for the sin. He allowed Ham [Cham] to leave the tent and Ham left and then went and got his two brothers of which entered the tent and ... In my opinion, Noah was going to kill her! But sons got inbetween and the incident was so bad that they had to get her out of the tent quickly. Therefore, they put up a cover and did not look upon her as she was caught in the act with Ham by Noah and she had no time to put clothes on. So, based upon plotting certain events on a timeline, his wife returned to the sin and Canaan was a product of the sin. She forced her own son and put him at odds to his own father. Therefore, Noah forgave Ham and the sin did not affect the legitimate sons of Ham as you said in your book. Not only that but, she tricked Noah into thinking that Canaan was his son and this is why Canaan received LAND! This is why even the Bible refers to 'the land of Canaan' in like manner because, Canaan grew up and continued to go along with the secret. This is why Noah became angry at Canaan too. He took back THE LAND! By plotting certain events on a timeline, some ancient events come to light! From the time of Eve until the time of Noah's wife, it had been about a 2000 years difference! The first noteworthy woman to be written in the Bible was SARAH, the wife of Abraham and that was again, more than 2000 years since the time of EVE. Another TIME FACTOR would be ZIPPORAH! The Most High did not put to script anything until the time of Moses of whom married AN ETHIOPIAN WOMAN that was noteworthy! Many women were named as well such as Keturah, Rebecca and etc. but it was not until the time of the PENTATUCH which was around the 1400s BC, thousands of years after EVE, the mother of all living. So, it was not until the First Covenant of God to Man that the earth even knew that God-the-Creator had turned his back on the four women of the ark! So inbetween their lives and the PENTATUCH, these women had been esteemed and worshiped as goddesses. But the truth is, they worked against mankind. In regards to the other three (3) women in the ark, again, my focus in on GENE EXPRESSION and it would take more time to share more of my research. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. And Noah lived after the flood three hundred and fifty years. And all the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years: and he died. [GENESIS 9:20-29] http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=DIV2&byte=30039
In the Spirit of Sankofa and Truth! Precisely Chevron, I have indicated strongly to sister cheryblossom that the forum is not conducive to intensive bible study, it lends itself to debate rather than study. Now you are talking Chevron, a study group, not a "debate," or unproductive back and forth discourse, such as you have witnessed here. Where positions are being challenged, that's no way to discuss the Bible. Your research deserves careful scrutiny. So, lets keep our thinking caps on and perhaps we will solve the dilemma...Peace In my sister friend.
In the Spirit of Sankofa and Truth! Chevron Dove, Wow! I finally understand you, I really do. Sister, the waters are deep and you are treading the waters. The issues that interest you are not only profound, esoteric and mysterious, but they have escaped the average person, seminary school of theology, pastors, etc...Please recall my stuff, lol...Latter Rain Teachers Now I see why you liked my book so, I really do. You are managing to piece some serious biblical issues together with research and timelines, that's admirable. Right off the top, I'm saying this, how does this sister know who made it into the Book of Life, it hasn't been even open. This kind of process of elimination juxtapose with the scriptures, science, timelines, etc...does shed light into a direction, heretofore dark. Only a group such as you have a desire for could even ponder where you are going, let alone understand it, right? When we finish our initial GroupThink project of a homegrown publication, I had visions of other books coming from the people here and the forums. So, do come to GroupThink and let's get this done Chevron.