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    ang-EL

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    What is your Nationality? What do your children call themselves? What do you check on an application?......

    American by itself is not a Nationality. African American is not a Nationality because Africa is obviously a Continent. I comission you to do a survey. And ask your European(so-called white) friends, schoolmates, associates, co-workers, clergy members...etc what is thier Nationality and they will without hesitating tell you with confidence. Irish American, Itallian American, Nigerian American, Iranian American, Polish American....etc.

    My point is that the Native Americans and the so-called Blacks of America are the only people on the planet without a flag and a Nation represented by the family of Nations.

    And please dont say it doesnt matter or Im above that or Im so into my Africaness that I trancend the notion of it all because every one we know frome Africa has a Flag and a Nation they proudly proclaim. It unconstitutional to be a Citizen and not proclaim your Natiolity. Even if it was stolen from us. The 13th, 14th and 15th amendments implimented cilil rights which are nothing but granted priveledges that can be violated at the discression of the officials. Plus if you look carefully you will notice that the word citizen in the above mentioned amendments start with a lower case c. But if you look elswhere it is Citzen with a capitol c. Dont believe me check it and holla back!
     
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    So the ABSENCE of flag and nationality is the reason for the actual condition of our people?Just a question,no sarcastic...
     
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    I believe the term nationality is misunderstood in your post. While the single term 'American' is not a nationality, it is used in that context. American = citizen of the United States. This is how it is most commonly used and understood. A citizen being a legal member of state.

    In that context, you are an American citizen, just like all the others you listed above.. Irish-American, Italian-American etc.. but know those terms (irish, italian etc) are not describing nationality, but ethnicity - a social group that shares the same cultural history/roots.

    The debate is long standing on whether African Americans should call themselves that because they lack a designated African country to link their roots and culture to. Some believe the term Black American is ethnic in itself, as being Black in America shares social history/culture to such an extent it is a separate ethnic group.

    Bear in mind African Americans are not the only group without a designated country to base their ethnicity on - there are afro-germans, afro-brits and likely many more - but their nationalities are clear, as is should be for the African American too.

    Nationality vs ethnicity - they should not be confused.
     
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    Definetely. Nationality is the order of the day. Without one it makes one a bastard people. Being that nationality deals with decent nature of ones forefathers/mothers. It is the reason so-called Blacks dont have rights but are assigned granted priveledges through the 13th-15th amendments.
     
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    ASE ZULILE!!!!!

    YR POST IS CORRECT!!!!!!
     
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    Ethicith ......lol

    Ethnicity, Ethnicity, wow that is one of the words used to make u a minority. The Irish are from Ireland which is a Nation not an ETHNICITY. Itallians are from Italy which is a Nation not an ETHNICITY. Nigerians are from Nigeria which is a Nation....etc get it.

    I never said America was a Nationality by itself. Did you read the first sentence of my thread? But the use of words like social group, ethnic, ethnicity, racial class, etc. are from the european Johan Bloomingbauch who created the 5 classes of ethnicity/race. Prior to his psycology there was only one race on the planet sub-divided into 2. Asiatic and European.

    Oh yeah and I pesonally am an american Citizen not citizen. There is a process to get there.....Nationlization. See cause if you have never been Nationalized nor any of your decendants you are a citizen not Citizen thus the term 2nd class citizen. refer to 13th-15th amendments
     
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    ok thanks u,i respect moorish science,but whatever nationality you are,will not free you from slavery,yt just killed it does not look for your nationality,he never respect nations,i think it is not necessary to give recent or ancient historical proof of that.Africa is bad example:most of these countries were made up by europeans,and the result can be seen today,i.e tribal wars and etc.in those countries most people rely on the tribe or ethny or religion...So again,white people will attack you whatever nationality you are,Haiti is a good example:they got their nationality,their flag but nobody recognize them,until Haitians paid money to France....
     
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    EXACTLY SENEB!!!!!!!!
     
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    the question is what is your Nationality???????!!!!

    I agree thats why youll never hear me refer to u or myself as an African American. The very word Africa is named after a European. And Yes Nationality does free one from slavery. Just look at the movie roots. They had to make kunta take on a national name of a european toby before it was offical. That was symbolic of the whole account. And all you have to do is ask the next person from Africa what is thier Nationality they will quckly tell you what it is...Not some ethnicity or religion they know the difference. It was our ancestors who first demonstrated Nationhood. It is our degree It is what was taken from us allowing this current situation of negroness.

    My point is a negro, black, colored, afo/African American has no rights that Citzens are bound to respect because they have not proclaimed their Nationality. Rodney King, The brother that was killed recently in Brooklyn on his wedding day, the list goes on and on. The only thing that seperates the way negros are treated here in the USA and the way others are treated is Nationality. Nobody likes a bastard people. Ive been to court as a negro and then Ive been to court as a Moor. The European is happy as hell in this era of time when a ni#$% stop being a ni##$ and proclaim his. A whole lot of them is tired of the negro problem. I demonstrate Nationhood in court at job Interviews all the time and always get a favorable reply. Unless Im dealing with one who is still a negro, black, and colored.

    You dont see Nigerians over here being mistreated or any other of the Nations of Africa. When they come to America they receive thier rights, respect and benefits amongst society because they have Nationality.
     
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    Asafo....Nationbuilding Mentality

    (As originally posted by Our Honored Ancestor BaBa KWAME AHMED...)
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    NATIONBUILDING
    (MENTALITY)

    "So we stand here
    on the edge of hell
    And look out on the world and wonder....
    what we gonna do
    in the face of what we remember. - Unknown Afrikan

    "Those who would speak truth to us must have a demonstrated record of their practical application of ourstorical theory. There are a few such Afrikan warrior scholars today. But those who are here and have demonstrated clear evidence of our Afrikan mind in action must be fully studied. We must listen carefully to the definitions of those who place the wisdom of our ancestors at our feet in practical terms. In this respect, Kwame Agyei Akoto, a consummate nationbuilder, is definitely qualified to provide us with a working definition of what we must do to build a powerful, conscious, PanAfrikan nation.

    "Nationbuilding is the conscious and focused application of our people's collective resources,energies, and knowledge to the task of liberating and developing the psyche and physical space that we identify as ours. It involves the development of behaviors, values, language, institutions, and physical structures that elucidate our history and culture, concretize and protect the present, and insure the future identity and independence of the nation. NationBuilding is the deliberate, keenly directed and focused, and energetic projection of the national culture, and the collective identity.(1)

    "Yet as he and others remind us, we do not have to build a nation. The Afrikan nation already exists. It has never gone anywhere. It is we who have become discounnected from our Afrikan roots. It is we who have to reconnect ourselves to them. It is we Afrikans who have to change ourselves to fit within an unadulterated Afrikan reality....

    "Knowing that under every condition and every circumstance the European is driven to visualize and pursue an absolute supremacy over all others renders making peace in order to change this oppressor (is) wishful thinking. That would be the equivalent of them taking the cake, eating it and then us, on empty stomachs, soothing their little tummy ache. We are not baby sitters for spoiled, wrongly privileged, children. Our job is not to make their pain go away. There is no feeling the European's pain for those among us who know what we are dealing with. He was not enslaved and dehumanized. We were. He has not lost a sense of his traditions through being violently ripped from himself by others. We have....

    "We cannot safely or sanely assume that in the end everything between oppressor and oppressed can agreeably be worked out to everybody's satisfaction. The universe does not hold such unqualified guarantees. In looking at Afrikans and Europeans, we are talking about two fundamentally incompatible cultures. We are trying against all historical evidence to force it into harmony with one overly aggressive culture that is intolerant of differences, the Eu-rope-an. There is no possible grey area. They must remain separate or one must die."

    'There are no neutral zones, as the very concept of neutrality has been coopted as a strategy of the enemy. In this war, neutrality of the Afrikan is delusional and suicidal. A soldier with a rifle to his head after the trigger has been pulled is in no position to declare neutrality. A slave already shackled, already beaten into submissionk, and been convinced of his/her inferiority is in no position to claim neutrality, and neither is his/her progeny irrespective of the remoteness in time and space.(5)


    Individuality


    "White supremacy is unaccepting of criticism. It cannot tolerate blame or condemnation from others or even its own, if their goal is to change the nature of white supremacy. Recognizing this makes it easier to understand why and how Western society trains people to see themselves as wholly responsible for their plight. In terms of success and failure, it is unwilling to concede that any significant external influences meaningfully impact on individual choice. Individuals who experience failure must see the errors that led up to, actualized and continue to insure it as their fault, and their fault alone. Otherwise, European society knows that they will rebel against those external forces in it that created the conditions that systematically prompt and/or produce failure."

    'The individual who accepts the ideology of individualism,and sees his failure to achieve as the result of some deficiency in his personality, and thinks that opportunities exist and that if he merely had the right personality he could make the best of these opportunities, when the achievement does not occur, is faced with a major contradiction.....Dissonance,contradictions and conflicts are painful and are hard to bear. They make life discomforting, and hence motivate the individual to seek to resolve the contradictions - to try and remove these contradictions and to put them out of existence.'(6)



    "This is not to say that individuals have no personal decision making power. However, their choices are never without external influences. Individuals make decisions that otherwise they would not necessarily make given different circumstances or balances in power. We do not operate within a vacuum.... Our enslaved ancestors had choices. And they did, for the most part, come to individually make decisions based on the best interest of their children and the understanding that Europeans will kill for nothing.The concept of individualism they were forced to engage in and pass on has had a devastating effect on our sense of trust, community and racial-cultural identity. It has become one of the most damaging definitions that we have adopted and accepted as normal for ourselves in this land and culture. For, in it, individuals make selfish choices that have no allegiance or connection to their heritage. And, by default, their decisions are often unwittingly loyal to the Eu-rope-an way.

    "The acceptance and internalization of such extreme individualism creates disadvantage in everyone, except members of the group who perfected it and whom it, regardless of the collateral benefits to outsiders, exclusively serves. It leads to crisis after crisis for individuals who exist beyond the pale of that privileged family. And these crises can only be resolved through our re-creation of and reintegration into the global Afrikan community (empowerment/life), or our continued submission to a self-hating inferiority (genocide/death).

    "In western thinking, not being an individual or being part of a communal group implies not having a mind of your own. You are like the 'Borg' of Star Trek fame who have absolutely no identify outside of the group which thinks with one mind. You are a drone in a hive with a specific repetitive task designed to insure the survival of the queen. Beyond that you have no life or thought.

    "In the same way that we have been led to inevitably conclude that it requred the European women's feminist movement to make Afrikan women recognize their exploitation, we have come to believe that it required the divine intelligence of European individualism to correct/improve the communal nature of the majority of humanity. The logic is that everybody on the planet except for Europeans was locked up in an atrophic, individuality-suffocating, group domineering mentality. In other words, we, as individuals, were controlled and owned by stifling, overbearing creativity suppressing societies and had no independent thought of our own."
    'No amount of individual achievement or the gaining of personal acceptance by Whites on the part of Black individuals, will remove from them the stigma of their membership in a powerless race. It will not truly enhance their personal power or freedom. The fact that they have to deny an intrinsic part of their being and identity to achieve 'success' and White approval means that a crucially important part of their full humanity has to be negated, that their authentic sense of power and efficacy, their need to be loved unconditionally remains ache-ingly unfulfilled. It connotes that they are isolated and defenseless because they must reject the ability of their group to protect and shelter them in times of social and personal upheavals; that their power is a counterfeited, delegated power, conditionally, tenuously and arbitrarily based on their willingness to ally themselves with Whites in their genocidal assault against the interests and lives of their Afrikan brethren whose fellowship they disdain. The racially isolated Afrikan individual will learn too late that he cannot aid and abet the destruction his 'former' race without ultimately aiding and abetting his own personal destruction.(7)
    __________________________________________________ ___________

    1. Nationbuilding: Theory & Practice in Afrikan Centered Education, Washington, DC: Pan Afrikan World Institute, 1992, p.3.
    5. Kwame Agyei and Akua Nson Akoto, The Sankofa Movement: ReAfrikanization and the Reality of War,DC: )yokoInfoCom Inc., 1999, p.244.
    6. Amos N. Wilson, The Falsification of Afrikan Consciousness, Bronx,NY: Afrikan World InfoSystems, 1993, p.74.
    7. Amos N. Wilson, Blueprint for Black Power: A Moral, Political and Economic Imperative for the Twenty-First Century, Brooklyn, NY:Afrikan World InfoSystems, 1998, pp.97-98.
    ***All above from Mwalimu K. Bomani Baruti's ASAFO A Warrior's Guide To MANHOOD, Akoben House Atlanta, Georgia, 2004 pp.144-145;147-151.

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    Make NO mistake about it......amerikkka is OUR enemy and so are 'amerikkkans.'

    Those who would take her into their bosoms, deserve to burn in the fires they willingly embrace.



    THE ROARIN ONE.
     
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