Black Spirituality Religion : The Switch???

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    1. I guess I would say 'in a nutshell' that the Creator God [Yahweh] CREATED Adam and Eve and Satan did not, as you say, in this regards do anything. He did not create Adam and Eve and therefore, if the Creator chooses to, as you say, genocided millions of his own creation, he has that right and no one can stop him. he can do whatever he wants to his creation and to Satan, and because it is written that Satan was kicked out of the heavens and lost the war, that's why Satan has no control over certain things that the Creator does.

    2. During the 40 years in the desert, the people thried off of an existence much the same as many 'desert' civilizations and nomadic peoples, so they couldn't have been made to starve and go hungry, but just had to learn to adjust to a desert style of existence which was different from the Egyptian system from which they came. The Bible speaks of many issues that are overlooked because of a lack of discerning, for example, the Hebrews had an abundant of resources in regards to getting fish or etc. from the sea. The scriptures show that they had plenty access to many kinds of herbs much like any nomadic people had and they interacted with others as well and this means that they coud have also traded.

    3. His people were punished for fraud, not for force worship. If they didn't want ot worship they could have left. But many stayed and did a lot of backbiting...instigating...trying to convince others to return to Egypt and etc. They were causing problems for others and that was why they were judged.

    4. the Creator didn't allow the Benjamites, the 400 or so, to rape women, that was not his doing but it was done by the other tribes who didn't want them to take their women. Mankind constantly blames their actions or mankinds actions on the creator. the Bible records many acts of mankind.

    5. the Creator loved Nebuchadnezzar and claimed him, and he was not a Jew. the Creator loved Darius, a Mede, a eastern man, and he was not a Jew. And I could go on and on... So the racist charge against him is a serious contradiction to say the least.

    6. you left no references about the Creator being a liar, so i don't know what you mean in this rgards...

    10. the Creator did not create humans to be slaves. period. he judged Egypt for this very issue. And the book of Revelations does use that word, I think 'slave' and states taht the powerful government will be judged for doing this....

    11. Again, with the incest accunts written about, mankinds actions are blamed on the Creator, seemingly at will.

    And as far as the eastern people that came from the east to set up the tower, the Creator struck it down due to slavery of which there are many secular books that give an account to thi and how the Sumerian turned against ehri own people because they were flattered by the eastern people who came to set up in their lands and 'make a name for themselves'...

    All in all and in regards to 'the bible says that this is true', again secular history can veryify White Supremacy in the land of the Blacks but some people love darkness rather than light, they love what the White man has done in setting up in Black lands and ignore the truth because they've got it good and this makes it eas y to ignore atrocities, historical atrocities, until racist persecution come their way and then it's too late though. but in regards to Satan:

    1. Again, Satan did not creat Adam and Eve so the fact that he cannot 'kill' is connected to tis issue. the Creator can do what he wants, because its his creation.

    2. Satan not only showed man howt o become knowlegeable but he caused mankind to reproduce White Supremacy and for this he ended up being forced on his belly.

    3. that is toally not true in how you worded what the Bible said about 'not dying'. Adam and Eve was not told that they would live past 120 years at the time Satan cme to them to deceive them about 'death'. At that time, they had the capaciy to live continually and after Satan deceived them, they had the life expectancy of about 1000 years, and they surely died. Satan is both a deceiver and the author of lies. He told part-truth and that is hs nature of being a deceiver, but when he can't win in that way, then he just blatantly lies. Now that is the Biblical decription of Satan and which according tot he bible he proved in this situation with 'death' and 'the death process'.

    All in all, when you say Satan really didn't do anyting except to wake mankind up, well in that he did enough damage but actually I wouldn't call having sex with Eve to be able to get a daughter 'seed' in order to exploit to bring forth his likeness, nothing, and to cause White Supremacist people to come forth to be able to mock the Creator for his creation of Adam and Eve, Black humans. yeah, Satan did something because he has been given the mercy and chance t prove himself again as to why he was thrown out of the heavens. He woke Adam and Eve up alright, to give him the opportunity to bring forh reproduction to persecute them and their descendants continually. now the Black, or original humans are awakento White Supremacist actions and unless the Creator does something about it, it will never end, because Satan got the upper hand.

    According to the Bible, Satan convinced adam and Eve to take in some strange fruit and while Adam was completely stoned out of his f'n mind and looking over at Eve gettin her behind sexed down...all he could do was look...he couldn't even rescue her...

    And if I were the Creator and was double crossed to where i had to throw out Satan and Blackness out of heaven due to self hae, I too would have tried to get it back again. And I too would set up 'a test' and 'a guarded den on the earth' and tell my Black creation that if they don't repect what i've done for you, you will surely die, and be cut off from me, but you won't hurt me in the way i've been hurt before. Only yu will be hurt, but not me...

    Now that's how i seee what the Bible has said about what has happend in regards to satan and the kind of humans and history marked in script around about 6000 years ago. I'm not talking about the other presence on this earth a long time prior to 6000 years though.
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    Actually, I thought that Satan was recorded in the Book of Job? If his is so, then he was mentioned as 'Satan' hundreds of years before being present at the time of David.

    I love the write up on Set here. But in regards to Seti I, his intentions weren't all that positive and he did not restore Set as being good to the Thebans, because as you bring out, this was their god and they didn't reject him, it was the north that rejected him as being good.

    According to what I've researched Seti I [Paramesse?] was not in favor of the Thebans and he chose his vizier in order to continue to hold the Thebans at bay. His actions in choosing 'Set' as an name was just a good tactic, that's all, to be able to try and get the Thebans to accept him. And his later descndants even prove this too. They in my opinion, were not much differenet than the other northern Egyptians who ruled in the north for thousands and thousand of years and of whom trie dto make their norther triad of Osiris-Isis-Horus be more supreme than the Theban god Set and etc. That all. This 19th Dynasty took the movement to a whole other level in that they set up their northern gods in Thebes and hyphenated names of gods of the Thebans and etc. and try and get the Thebans to except their gods and this is why today, we here more about osiriis triad as being positive versus Set and etc., the Theban gods. Seti I did much the same as the later Herod who just comprimised so he could be excepted by the Jews to rule over them. I guess it could be like making t-shirts with pictures of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and propagandizing how future views and goals of presdient Obama was the same as Dr. king...but now that he's in office...umh...I don't know...

    Seti I was good at what he did, but the Thebans script shows that they eventually recognized that Seti i ws not true to what he appeared to profess by renaming himself to be seti.

    In regards to the Hyksos, they came like, hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands of years after this intense conflict and propaganda against 'the Theban god Set' occurred in early times. The Hyksos and Seti I exploited the theban god Set, in my opinion. but yes, now that I read this, it is amazing how it was the Greeks, Romans and 'Christians' that once again demonized Set after a time that he was elevated. White Supremacy is connected with the kindof ancient Asiatics that caused confusion between the Osiris triad and the Theban triad, but that is not to say that even Osiris triad was negative, just exploited too.
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    Your assumption is that Yahweh created humanity but according to Genesis - Yahweh didn't create humanity it was the Elohym who created humanity. In your bible Yahweh was not introduced into Exodus 6:3. Previous to this point there was no Yahweh - now the modern biblical writers placed his name in there from time to time before Exodus 6:3 but this scripture makes it clear that no Hebrew knew who Yahweh was. It wasn't until Deuteronomy 32:8-9 that you realize that the Most High aka El`yon (El - Canaanite High God) gave his children (gods) their inheritance. In verse 9 it states that: "For the LORD'S (Yahweh) portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance."

    So to begin with your argument is flawed at best - Yahweh didn't have the right to kill anything because he didn't create anything according to the bible it was Elohym sometimes called Elyone or El Shaddai that supposedly created mankind. Next point in Exodus 6:3 it states that he was not know by Yahweh but by El Shaddai which is the normal tradition of the ancients or ancestors. When a new deity is being introduced to the people he assumes their powers and accomplishments in order to give that new deity some credentials. Please note: The root of the word 'Shaddai' is breast so when you speak of El Shaddai whom Yahweh said he was known as he was known as 'God Breast' which is simply the mountains as they peeked as breast. El Shaddai also means the god of the moutains - so then Yahweh assumed a (singular) aspect of the 'EL' which is the God of the Mountains. Hence he assumed the Power of the Moon God 'Sin' which is why this Yahweh appeared to Moshe in mount SIN[AI]

    Now I would quote different sections of your post but I think that I can pretty much sum the rest of it up in these next few statements and verses. You are trying to justify evil because of your belief but I suggest you rethink it because if you are commanded to be as god your father in heaven then you are more then allowed to kill at will and do many other heinous crimes. For this reason I started this thread because other deities of the ancients did not and I repeat did not do the evils this one deity Yahweh did to humanity (if story is true). The evils that are committed in the name of Yahweh are written in the book you uphold as flawless. In such as book when it describes your deity you shouldn't make provisions for him because he didn't make them for himself and - if you believe he authored through his prophets the writing of this book then he felt it necessary to for you to see him as he is and you shouldn't try to make him look any different from how he portrays himself - you might get in trouble.

    The bottom line here in addressing your post is that Yahweh didn't create humanity and you shouldn't try to make provision for your deity who enjoys killing and much more ... This is what is written about him by his prophets so you shouldn't try to change what his prophets wrote - which are:

    Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

    There is it - what can you say if this is supposed to be the LORD/Yahweh speaking himself? You cannot make say something different then what it actually says - its right here for you to see. He again when further to say.

    Amos 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

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    Now if we can let us try to address the post started this thread - not waste our times trying to justify wrong doings. There's no need your god just told you that he does the evil and that he create evil - that chapter is sealed and over.

    The question is - was there a role switch where somehow Satan became known as evil while Yahweh became known as good. Again the Gnostic bible states that Yahweh was Cain who killed his brother Abel (Eloh).
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    I understand where you are going with this as job is said to be the oldest writings of the Tanach/Old Testament yet as I stated Satan was first mentioned in I Chronicles 21 which is based on the order that the books were written in.

    I try to avoid this Job 1:6 because a lot of people tend to get angry at me because I show the contradictions in this one verse so I will do it in the most time saving way. The scriptures teach god cannot look upon evil even though the scriptures teach that god creates evil. Satan supposedly appeared before the presence of this Yahweh and held a conversation with this deity who cannot look upon evil even though he created evil. Secondly how can you create something that doesn't exist if god is all their is and he is only good? It seem to be that evil was when god was because it was before Satan as the scriptures teach that 'evil entered into Satan' which means that it wasn't always there and that evil predates Satan. Again this goes back to this Yahweh deity who created evil and placed Evil in Satan if he created it just to **** or condemn this Satan to a hell forever? He takes pleasure in killing his angels who didn't even know what evil was? How can evil enter into someone who is in heaven - the holy place where there is no evil? I mean really? Think, think, think, think!!! Job 1:6 alone destroys the very essence of what the bible is supposed to represent because it destroys the whole bibles possibility of being holy information as it is the greatest contradiction of the whole bible.

    O no I didn't say he restored Set back to the god of Theban - I said he restored Set back to the deity he was meant to be - all Kings of ancient Km.t had multiple names and Seti I was no different which names such as Memmaatra (Justice of Ra)or Sty Merenptah (man of set, beloved of P`tah) just to name a few..

    Set was once the protector of Ra as I stated previously and a protector to Upper Km.t - Seti I was a military man and Seti being part of his name gave him the power to enhance his military conquest.

    See this is where the text that you've read to come to this conclusion to be in question - all Pharaohs and Kings had multiple names which is a science that Europeans have just recently discovered in numerology and so forth. Seti like all Kings had multiple names and they had one name that was never spoke to anyone - that name was their protection if someone learned of that name the would be able to control that King according to the ancient Egyptians. Through his military campaigns it would only be logical to use the protect-warrior deity into battle with you because names carry energy. Our names are the most powerful aspect of all of us whether good or bad combine with other factors which the ancients knew.

    There are many stories to this but you are correct in that the Greeks, Romans and Christian demonized Set which later became known as Sat[an] in the Christian religion. O and I forgot to mention they did the Satan of the bible the say way - he was a good angel at first but then they created a way for evil to enter into his heart and that made him bad ... think about - where did this evil come from and why did it choose Satan to make evil and punish for ever? It seems to me that a deity got jealous of his number 1 angels beauty and pushed his evil into his angels heart just to kill him... Such an evil plot and the story aka mythology thickens.
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    The switch exists because European Religious Spirituality replaced African GOD/DESS Consciousness

    p. 98, 99 “The Sibyls” by Vivian Hunter-Hindrew

    “…The Roman church and its imperialistic designs attempted/plotted to control all of the African continent. This hostile climate, aided by the church’s financial backing, helped to create an atmosphere for chattel slavery and the ultimate colonization of all of Africa in the New World.
    Through they were not alone in their determination to wipe out all traces of Africa’s powerful religions, one of the first orders of the Christian missionaries, commissioned by the church was the complete and absolute destruction of Africa’s temples, deities and shrines, as well as the total discrediting of African’s priesthoods and knowledgeable elders, and the systematic removal of all African women from their sacerdotal roles. Further, the perpetual povertization of Africa created the perfect climate to impose an inferior and fictitious brand of Christianity such as what exist today throughout the continent. African and Diaspora families often bitterly divided between those who honor the old god and customs established by their ancient mothers and fathers, and those who worship the colonial religion of Christianity introduced by the emissaries of the papal authorities….”

    "Cave of The Sibyl Cumea"
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    I, therefore, completely convinced that European Christinaity exists today as a "direct' result and insult to African GOD/GODDESS Consciousness and as proof the biblical text blatantly exposes (hidden in plain view) the destruction of Ancient Black Civilization while the NT spuriously outlines the utter destruction (eg. or so it is thought) of the most profound women to populate the planet, The Sibyls