Okay from bottom to the top - you do realize that the words 'He(y)lel and Helel are the same word right? Okay I assumed you knew that ... Okay - again King of Babylon was actually in reference to their deity ... Lets go back to the scripture I posted in an earlier post ... Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Which is to say that there is actually more then one morning star as the scriptures imply (stars). Yes I'm actually implying that days implied wisdom as in a time or a season - and not literal days as in 12 hour days and 12 nights 24 hours ... The 5 stages also represented 5 points in history or time as we know it. As I stated that we are in the time of Amen as we consistently hear 'Amen' at the end of prayers - we are actually in a time of Amen which some in India would called 'Kali Ma'. When Amen was introduced into ancient Km.t we were entering into a dark time - or a time when the light/wisdom was hidden from humanity. This is on a much broader level then a 24 hour period - to the ancients we would be in the dark of night period heading into Kepera (Reawakening of wisdom), a period when Amen will no longer be the ending of prayers but Khepera or an English interpretation of the word which would mean 'to come into existence'. Again the last phase of the sun is Amen or Amen Ra which means hidden light or Hidden Sun - a light that cannot be seen - this answers your second questions. I see you fishing but I'm still open to your true response.
We can take this another direction also. One of the things I've often said is that, when white people got our stuff, they switched everything around. For example: In Freemasonry Ausar is the bad guy and Lucifer the Light Bringer is the good guy if we go back to the Unseen Hand and other freemasonry works. However, what should be of great interest is the Gnostic Scriptures or Scriptures of the "Knowers". In the Gnostic Scriptures it lets you know that a Sister created Jehovah and it was Jehovah who created this ish. So again, all of this is once more about the displacement of the female entity as being before men were...even though we were within the same body before the separation occurred. By the way, did you see the Alex Crowley movie?
In the Spirit of Sankofa, .......Do I detect some kind of tone in your words, ru2religious? None of this really interest me, as you should know; I'm simply helping a friend, at least considered to be, sort through intricate issues of mystery. If there is no longer a mutual understanding of friendship between us, please let me know. The difference of the "y" in the word heylel, allows for the definition of Day Star(s); and it is this word, heylel, not helel that is used in the concordance we both use, Strong's. This I know you know, brotha. Of course, the title King of Babylon was used interchangeably and connects with diety, on earth. It is this very verse you cite in Job, which incorporates many Angels or Day Stars; and it does so with reference to "morning stars." Making therefore a clear separation between them and the Bright and Morning Star, and this makes them all, spirits. So, you are correct when you say: "there is more than one morning star in the scriptures;" at this point, we are both saying the same exact thing about morning stars. Brother, you will always receive my true response. Peace In,
Clyde - how long have we been chatting? I hope you've come to realize that there is no tone to my voice at all - I don't get down like that - I try to be as respectful as possible .... Again - the Heylel is the same as the Helel minus the 'y'. This is how you can pretty much tell and that's when the stories of these collaborate to the highest degree. Its like the word 'Amen' in the bible - sometimes Amen is spelled Amun and other variations. When the plural is used in the Hebrew we know that primarily at the end of each word with 'ym' or 'im'. One of the things that fascinate me about the scriptures is that people tend to forget that the Hebrew lived, walked and breaded with the ancient Egyptians. For a few hundred years they were free mingling with them. Now here in America we've been here for 4 hundred years and we speak English, write english though we started off with a different language. How much different do you think it was with the ancient Egyptians and Hebrews? The Hebrews mingled again with the Canaanites with some of Yashua fore-mothers and fathers being Canaanites. When they supposedly took over the land of the Canaanite they knew how to communicate with them and as they have done throughout their biblical history they mingled with and accepted other nation deities. Today different means to the words have been given in order to separate themselves from the ancient from which they stole their vocabulary. The Hebrew language came directly from the Canaanite language and I posted and image on this site of this transition. The ancient Hebrew took stories from the ancient Canaanites and in particular EL the head god - Shachar, Helel/Heylel, and others. This Lucifer story which is not really the point of this thread as I believe Satan and Lucifer are different beings ... is based on the story of Zues and Tsaphoon/Typhoon. That whole story was grafted after that story .... As a matter of fact I have permission to drop so text a family member of mine wrote about it: By Nana P. .............................. Why is the word Lucifer only used one time in the bible. Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: In Isaiah 14:13 the last word north in Hebrew is tsâphôn (pronounced “tsaw-fone”). Tsaphon means according to the Strong’s properly hidden, that is, dark; used only of the north as a quarter (gloomy and unknown): - north (-ern, side, -ward, wind). Now Tsaphon or as the Greeks called him Typhoon was an immortal storm monster. Who or What is Typhoon? TSAPHON or TYPHON TYPHOEUS (or Typhon) was a monstrous immortal storm-giant who was defeated and imprisoned by Zeus in the pit of Tartaros (aka “HELL” Isaiah 14:15). He appeared man-shaped down to the thighs, with two coiled vipers in place of legs. Attached to his hands in place of fingers were a hundred serpent heads, fifty per hand. He was winged, with dirty matted hair and beard, pointed ears, and eyes flashing fire. According to some he had two hundred hands each with fifty serpents for fingers and a hundred heads, one in human form with the rest being heads of bulls, boars, serpents, lions and leopards. As a volcano-daimon, Typhoeus hurled red-hot rocks at the sky and storms of fire boiled from his mouth. Source: http://www.theoi.com/Gigante/Typhoeus.html Isaiah 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. The Pit sired a child, Typhoeus, a monstrous serpentine storm-giant who attempted to seize heaven. Zeus vanquished the creature and cast it back down into the Pit. From Typhoeus camehurricanes and storm-winds, which issued forth from Tartaros when Zeus commanded the gates be opened. In this verse the word hell is the same as Hades the Greek God of the Underworld. HADES & THE MONSTER TYPHOEUS When the monster Typhoeus battled Zeus for heaven, Haides remained in the underworld. Hesiod, Theogony 820 ff (trans. Evelyn-White) (Greek epic C8th or C7th B.C.) : "And through the two of them [Zeus battling Typhoios] . . . through the thunder and lightning, and through the fire from the monster, and the scorching winds and blazing thunderbolt . . . Haides trembled where he rules over the dead below." Source: http://www.theoi.com/Khthonios/Haides.html Typhon and Zeus Zeus was the king of the gods, the god of sky and weather. Valerius Flaccus, Argonautica 6. 168 ff : "The ground trembles and quakes at the shock, as when Jupiter [Zeus] strikes Phlegra [home of the Gigantes] with his angry brand and hurls back Typhon to the deepest recesses of the earth." Typhon wanted to be above the Gods and Humans. He wanted to acquire the sovereignty of gods and men, but was subdued, after a fearful struggle, by Zeus, with a thunderbolt. (Hes. Theog. 821, &c.) Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Typhon was the source of devastating storm winds which issued forth from that dark nether realm. Typhoeus was so huge that his head was said to brush the stars. Tsaphon means according to the Strong’s properly hidden, that is, dark; used only of the north as a quarter (gloomy and unknown): - north (-ern, side, -ward, wind). Isaiah 14:13 I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: Typhon's hundred, horrible heads touched the stars, venom dripped from his evil eyes, and lava and red-hot stones poured from his gaping mouths. Hissing like a hundred snakes and roaring like a hundred lions, he tore up whole mountains and threw them at the gods. A terrible battle raged, and hardly a living creature was left on Earth. Ryan Tuccinardi of http://www.pantheon.org/articles/t/typhon.htm TYPHON Isaiah 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; Isaiah 14:17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? He is further said to have at one time been engaged in a struggle with all the immortals, and to have been killed by Zeus with a flash of lightning; he was buried in Tartarus under MountAetna, the workshop of Hephaestus. (Ov. Her. xv. 11, Fast. iv. 491; Aeschyl. Prom. 351, &c.; Pind. Pyth. i. 29, &c.) Isaiah 14:13 I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation TYPHON "[Amongst the figures depicted on the throne of Apollon at Amyklai near Sparta:] On the left stand Ekhidna and Typhos, on the right Tritones." [N.B. the two serpent-tailed monsters Ekhidna and Typhos on one side are balanced by the two fish-tailed Tritones on the other.] Antoninus Liberalis, Metamorphoses 28 (trans. Celoria) (Greek mythographer C2nd A.D.) Revelations 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. link: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150242453355047 ............................................................................................................................................................................ So again I think she makes a very good argument in her research - Now going back to Satan that's the real discussion as to say do anyone have any information they would like to add or even take from?
In the Spirit of Sankofa, .......That's one fact that doesn't escape me, thank God, and therefore I'm not one of those people, lol... Egypt is replete in the Bible. But what does fascinate me is that the Bible is scrutinized and used persistently to test new ideals. To the point of, what would our conversations be like without the Bible, lol. Best of wishes on your quest, tc brotha. Peace In,