Black Spirituality Religion : The Hebrews were NOT *Black* or even *African*...

The Jews that exist today in Jerusalem is in no way a true representation of the people that populate the Biblical record. The white Jew in Jerusalem today are conquers that adopted the faith of the people they assisted in conquering. The origin of today’s Israel and Jerusalem can be traced to 1948 when the British so called purchased the land from Arabs. Most white Jews in Jerusalem have a bloodline that is traced to Europe.

Even a well knowledge Rabbi will tell you that the word “Jew” is not a reference to a specific tribe but is more understood as a religious practice. The original people of Judah, which is a tribal reference, became scattered and enslaved in the earth. The original people of Judah today would be mixed in the African population today that are descendants of slaves.

Any images of what appears to be a Caucasian that is to represent an Old Testament patriarch or character is a lie enforced by uninformed blacks or Caucasians. During the Old Testament Biblical records the Caucasian people of today were not there. The Old Testament is purely an African affair that was created through cut and paste of bits and pieces of African History and our walk with the Supreme Being.

The records of Esther, Ezra 6-10 and Nehemiah actually began to show the infiltration of the Israelite bloodline by outsiders. “Outsiders”, not particularly referring to Caucasian but more to what I would call an Afroasian or one with less melanin then the original Israelites or people of the African continent.

As the darker race of the Israelites became enslaved and conquered to be sold and bought all over the world the lighter race was free to adapt and reconfigure the attitude in the region as they being the original Israelites as recoded in the Bible. Overtime Israelites being Caucasian has taken center-stage in mainstream media and historical thought. Non-mainstream media historical thought and science continues to support the original history that the Biblical patriarchs and characters were of the African race or most melaninated people of the earth. This race of melaninated peoples can be seen in the original antiquities of Egypt and it is most likely that the Biblical Old Testament records are mainly of the Egyptian origin and peoples.

Due to the fact that the Old Testament clearly defines the master race or Holy People several races continually attack it in order to claim or substantiate their race as being the master race of the earth. The problem with their attacks is the Old Testament has extreme detail in describing the condition, nature and stance of the master race as a people, even describing these people in a futuristic condition which is now historic for today.

When one surmises these descriptions and then examines all the races of the earth and their history, one logically concludes that the people in the Holy Scriptures or Old Testament were mixed in with the 2 billion or more high melanin peoples that got transported from Africa as merchandise all over the world which keeps in hermoney with the Specific Word of GOD.

Deut:32:26: I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:

Jer:9:16: I will scatter them also among the heathen, whom neither they nor their fathers have known: and I will send a sword after them, till I have consumed them.


This passage implies we were scattered in ships and will be returned in ships…….

Deut:28:68: And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.


The entire futuristic scheme of our existence was prerecorded in the Holy Scriptures.
 
ShemsiEnTehuti said:
The city name "Mallawi" means Levi (Lawi) city (mal). This word is kemetic, but it directly translates to the Hebrew word for "Levi". Essentially when translated to English, it means "City of the Levites" or "Levi City". I have studied the languages Arabic, Hebrew, Mtw Neter, amongst others for some time to come to my conclusions, so even in the absence of the Bible, the same meaning would be deduced.

the problem you still have here sir is that none of this proves they were "kemetic priests", or that they were not israelites (which is pronounced all throughout the bible), or that their name was pronounced originally in a kemetic fashion and not in the hebrew (which was NOT "lawi")




Even if you don't want to call the Hebrews white (which I think they were), they certainly did not identify with Africans so what is the point in trying to claim them? I am not trying to insult, but it is rather pathetic that African people are always trying to make other people "Black", all because we are not satisfied with what is solely African, or perhaps we simply don't know what is African.

i know that you like to "think" they were white, but your opinion is in the minority (amongst spiritually minded black people) and frankly of eurocentric origin




Now the time that the sons of Israel lived in Egypt was four hundred and thirty years. And at the end of four hundred and thirty years, to the very day, all the hosts of the LORD went out from the land of Egypt. ~Exodus 12:40-41

i asked for the verse and chapter where it clearly states a 430 year CAPTIVITY..but i'm pretty sure by your lack of commentary on the scripture here that you realize your error in quoting this particular one


You don't have to direct me to things I already have read and studied. It is true that over 90% of today's European Jews are Ashkenazi Jews who are converted Khazars. That is a totally different issue from what's being discussed here. My point here is that the Hebrews were White/Asiatic nomads who indeed interbred with the classical Black civilizations of Asia, so they were in some ways mixed. However, they did not identify with African people. In fact, their genetic make up was predominantly Indo-European/Asiatic, only with some color.


the bible says they were black thus your points here remain moot



Show me in the Bible where the Israelites/Hebrews ever identified with African people. You won't find it. I am not saying they had purely white skin, but they were not Black or African.

your assertions notwithstanding, if the israelites are indeed identified with african people, can we then say that your studies on the subject are lacking?

Gen 50:8 And all the house of Joseph, and his brethren, and his father's house: only their little ones, and their flocks, and their herds, they left in the land of Goshen.
Gen 50:9 And there went up with him both chariots and horsemen: and it was a very great company.
Gen 50:10 And they came to the threshingfloor of Atad, which [is] beyond Jordan, and there they mourned with a great and very sore lamentation: and he made a mourning for his father seven days.
Gen 50:11 And when the inhabitants of the land, the Canaanites, saw the mourning in the floor of Atad, they said, This [is] a grievous mourning to the Egyptians: wherefore the name of it was called Abelmizraim, which [is] beyond Jordan.


the writers of exodus wrote that other africans (Canaanites) saw the israelites and the egyptians during a funeral procession and identified them ALL as africans, as egyptians.... and this is just one example out of many
 
NITAINO75 said:
wern't you trying to identify the akkadian as white people in this thread?

No, I wasn't. I've never made such a statement. I see the Akkadians, as being a sub-group of the Sumerians (which would make them Africanoid), with perhaps a bit of a "Semitic" or Eurasian stock.

again, why did you highlight the hittite, mitanni, and ugaritic? wern't they white according to your theory?? please correct me if i'm wrong...because this information has them identfying ANOTHER group

Yes, they are white in my theory. Eurasians, describing other Eurasians, to whom the former group(s) are related to the latter.

sir how do you say the name/word hebrew in the aramaic or ancient hebrew language, do you even know?

Yes, I do know. But what precisely does this have to do with my point? I've not mentioned Aramaic once in my response. Firstly, Hebrew and Aramaic are not identical languages, even if they are closely related.

and if you read my reply to you sir you would've see that your theory and assertion of black hebrews is just but a theory

So is yours. But at least others are working to add some credibility to this theory. All you've done thus far, is state that you believe that the Bible is correct, nothing further.

and in the minority amongst the great black minds of the past and present

That's not correct. You've made this assertion before, and I'd responded accordingly:

Most of the Black scholars that you mentioned before are either not credible sources, outdated in their perspectives, or have recanted their theories.

In the meantime, other Black Scholars have stepped up to refute them:

*Diop
*Obenga
*Chancellor Williams
*George James
*Anthony Browder
*John Henrik Clarke
*Dr Ben

And others.

So who precisely does your abiguous statement refer to? What Black scholars support this "Hebrews are Black" view?

do you mean that "haribu" image? that sir is not proof that the haribu were white or even that the majority looked like that

What is your proof otherwise? And didn't you admit that the pic in question might very well have been a picture of a Hebrew (atypical or otherwise)?

Are you changing your assertion?


{The Bible lies about many things, including the 400 years of slavery in Kemet}

chapter and verse please

Are you asking for where the story of the Hebrew's bondage is in the Bible? Are you seriously not familiar with this?

If not, how can you place such veneration upon a book that you might know not even the basics about?

"jewish calendar"? lol

What's funny? You do know that the Jews have a calendar, yes?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_calendar

the jews were never white

Yet another assertion that is devoid of proof.

pick up the book "the 13th tribe" and read it brotha

And then what?

#1) That's not a book written by a Black author or scholar. The author Arthur Koestler is a white Jew himself.

#2) I have read this book. All it asserts is that the Jews are nothing but the very same peoples that populated the very same geograpical areas as the people who are also called the "HYKSOS", and various other peoples whose names start with "H".

How does this support your claim, and refute all others?

there's images that exist today showing blacks that look "white" (that to the ignorant i will say), that haribu image does not look like a whiteman, it looks like a so-called mulatto type, the whole facial structure, the beard texture and everything

A "mulatto" does not necessarily translate into an African. For that matter, there are many peoples who bear such a description:

*Modern-Day Persians
*Turks
*Berbers
*Kurds
*Gypsies
*Modern-Day Jews

And others, none of which are related to Africa, and if they are, the relation is remote.

Your argument here (what little of it there is) is failing.

http://www.bible-history.com/archaeo...es-lachish.jpg

a true image of ancient israelites with tightly curled black hair texture

What I see, is an image that closely resembles the modern-day Arab/Jew/Greek/Semite/Berber/Mediterranean racial stock: Hunched over in posture and hook-nosed in the face.

Further, these men look just like their so-called "Assyrian" captors in appearance.

How is this proof of African or Blackness?

not only this but the bible always identifies them as looking black or african, and no white person would have just made that up or wrote that brotha

#1) As you would say: "chapters and verses please". Please refrain from asking for that which you would not readily offer.

#2) There are several verses in the Bible, in which a popular Hebrew character's ethnicity is brought into question.

In the Song of Solomon, the Queen of Sheba (whom the latter blatantly describes herself as black within the very same text) also blatantly describes her betrothed as anything but Black:

Sgs 5:10 My beloved [is] white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand. (why is a black man "white and ruddy"? :confused: )


Sgs 5:11 His head [is as] the most fine gold, his locks [are] bushy, [and] black as a raven.


Sgs 5:12 His eyes [are] as [the eyes] of doves by the rivers of waters, washed with milk, [and] fitly set. (Doves are white, and water is Blue. so Solomon has blue eyes? :confused:


Sgs 5:13 His cheeks [are] as a bed of spices, [as] sweet flowers: his lips [like] lilies, dropping sweet smelling myrrh. (Lillies are white, like uhmmm......White people's skin )


Sgs 5:14 His hands [are as] gold rings set with the beryl: his belly [is as] bright ivory overlaid [with] sapphires. [/I] (bright ivory??? A Black Man?? C'mon.)

And thus, to quote your rhetorical statement:

"and no white person would have just made that up or wrote that brotha"

And this, according to the story, was not written by a white person (at least not partially, since Solomon wrote this alongside Sheba). This is how Sheba describes herself:

Sgs 1:5 I [am] black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.


Sgs 1:6 Look not upon me, because I [am] black , because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; [but] mine own vineyard have I not kept.


So why wouldn't a woman who is clearly Black in her own perception, not be able to perceive a Black man, if he in fact was one?

Your Bible is telling the story, and proving the point for us.

And thus, if Solomon was "white and ruddy", what then was his father? And his father before him? :?:

PEACE
 
Orisons said:
The Jews and Arabs are described as Semites


and? they were and still are black, or perhaps you thought that the white looking ones were the original??

and even that word is in itself a very direct clue to their ethnic origin,


FALSE.


the word comes from a name, from a biblical figure named SHEM, who also was BLACK

in that they are regarded as being semi-African peoples [a fact a lot of them are in denial about] which is what qualified them for Hitler and the Nazis final solution.

jews have never been white, or "semi" anything....i have cited scholars and the chiefly the bible sir, i don't subscribe to eurocentric lies....hell, Gamal Abdel Nasser told you that the jews are black back in the day, as did HITLER



What is currently viewed as the Middle East is in fact North East Africa, and right up until the Suez canal was built people could walk straight from North Africa in to the Middle East.

that it's NE africa is a matter of opinion, i believe there's an ancient buffer zone there

The Jews were definitely a mixture of Africans and Semites

the jews according to the bible did in some instances have MATERNAL khemetic, chametic) blood, but they were black as well

black which is why the Khemetian armies intervened to protect them on many occassions from the Assyrians,

do you have a chapter and a verse that the reason you gave above was the cause for intervention?


PEACE
 
NITAINO75 said:
i know that you like to "think" they were white, but your opinion is in the minority (amongst spiritually minded black people) and frankly of eurocentric origin

Why do you insist on returning to this "popular opinion" argument? Do you not realize the folly of such?

Einstein was not popular in any of his theories.

Instead of focusing on the popularity of an opinion/theory, it might behoove you to focus instead on the accuracy of such.

In the meantime, who are these "spiritually minded Black people" that we are supposedly in the minority of?

i asked for the verse and chapter where it clearly states a 430 year CAPTIVITY..but i'm pretty sure by your lack of commentary on the scripture here that you realize your error in quoting this particular one

A tactic that you are no less guilty of. And here's an example forthwith:

the bible says they were black thus your points here remain moot

Where are your verses as examples? Aside from the Ambiguity of Daniel and Revelations, which people love to attempt to site as "proof", I have yet to see anywhere in the Bible, where such an explicit description is given with regards to Hebraic peoples.


your assertions notwithstanding, if the israelites are indeed identified with african people, can we then say that your studies on the subject are lacking?

Of course. Can we equally say the same for you and yours?
Gen 50:8 And all the house of Joseph, and his brethren, and his father's house: only their little ones, and their flocks, and their herds, they left in the land of Goshen.
Gen 50:9 And there went up with him both chariots and horsemen: and it was a very great company.
Gen 50:10 And they came to the threshingfloor of Atad, which [is] beyond Jordan, and there they mourned with a great and very sore lamentation: and he made a mourning for his father seven days.
Gen 50:11 And when the inhabitants of the land, the Canaanites, saw the mourning in the floor of Atad, they said, This [is] a grievous mourning to the Egyptians: wherefore the name of it was called Abelmizraim, which [is] beyond Jordan.

Oh my God. LMAO.

What I think my brother was asking for, was where the Hebrews identified with the Kemetians on a cultural, spiritual, mental, and especially ethnic level.

There is nothing about your verse above that demonstrates an identifying; the only demonstration here was recognition. They recognized that these people were mourning.

Recognizing is not identifying, and it's rather shamefull that you do not know the difference.

the writers of exodus wrote that other africans (Canaanites) saw the israelites and the egyptians during a funeral procession and identified them ALL as africans, as egyptians.... and this is just one example out of many

This "example" is nothing of the sort. You are reaching with astronomical proportions.

Nothing here was stated (neither implicit, nor explicit) that the writers identified 2 African tribes. Merely 2 tribes.

Did you perhaps glean this from the Hebraic translation? Because this English interpretation says nothing of the sort.

PEACE
 

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