Black Spirituality Religion : The Hebrews were NOT *Black* or even *African*...

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  1. ru2religious Well-Known Member

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    what does that mean? lol - I know I wasn't hear when the debate started - but I'm here right now?
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    shemsi was on point.
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    CHRISTIAN translators have unwittingly abetted the Jewish scholars’ fraud by dropping the name Yahweh (Jehovah) from most Bible translations today and replacing it with “the LORD.”
    The translators of the Revised Standard Version (RSV) of the Bible in its preface, admit that one of the reasons for dropping the name “Yahweh” from the texts is that “the use of any proper name for the one and only God, as though there were other gods from whom he had to be distinguished was discontinued in Judaism before the Christian era and is entirely inappropriate for the universal faith of the Christian Church.”
    This admission is quite interesting in many respects. First, it is a brazen violation of the express injunction of Yahweh himself that he should be known by the name “Yahweh” for ever and ever.
    “…Say this to the people of Israel, ‘Yahweh, the god of Abraham, the god of Isaac, and the god of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations.” (Exodus 3:15)
    Second, the translators themselves have admitted, inadvertently, that the existence of a proper name “Yahweh” for the god of Israel implies that “there are other gods from whom he had to be distinguished”.
    Of course, there were: Dagon, Ashtaroth, Baal, Molloch, etc. who were all Canaanite gods (or goddesses) of those times.
    But, we are being told that the recognition of the above realities is “inappropriate for the universal faith of the Christian church“!
    Are we being told that the “universal faith of the Christian Church” requires the deliberate distortion of facts for its survival?
    Fortunately, however, facts keep leaping stubbornly out of the pages of the Bible. And one of the most illuminating comes from no other than Prophet Moses, who knew Yahweh most intimately —- better than any human being, dead or alive.
    Nothing illustrates the credentials of Moses better than the testimony of Yahweh himself:
    “If there is a prophet among you, I speak with him in a dream. Not so with my servant Moses; he is entrusted with all my house. With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in dark speech; and he beholds the form of Yahweh…” (Numbers 12: 5-8 RSV).
    “Even with prophets, I Yahweh communicate by visions and dreams. But that is not how I communicate with my servant Moses. He is entrusted with my entire house. I speak to him face to face, directly and not in riddles! He sees Yahweh as he is…” (New Living Translation).
    It was this Moses who spoke to Yahweh “face to face” and “sees Yahweh as he is” who now reveals that El Elyon, the chief of the Canaanite gods was actually Yahweh’s superior. And that it was this El Elyon (God Most High) who divided nations (of the world?) and shared them among the gods (sons of God). And that, the nation allotted to Yahweh (being one of the deities) by El Elyon was Israel!
    “Give ear O heavens, and I will speak and let the earth hear the words of my mouth…
    Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations,
    ask your father and he will show you, your elders, and they will tell you.
    When El Elyon (the Most High) gave to the nations their inheritance.
    When he separated the sons of men
    He fixed the bounds of the Peoples, according to the number of the sons of God
    for Yahweh’s portion is his people Jacob (Israel) his allotted heritage.” (Deut. 32:1-9)
    The passage is clear enough.
    El Elyon divided up the nations among the gods. And Yahweh, being one of those gods, was allotted Israel.
    But having craftily translated Yahweh as God and El Elyon as God Most High, the Jewish translators have misled the average reader into mistaking the two for the same entity: Yahweh. That way El Elyon is totally erased. And so is his superiority to Yahweh.
    Expectedly, this passage has given later Christian translators considerable worry. What with its reference to “sons of God” and Israel being a “portion” “allotted” to Yahweh as “heritage”. How can anybody allot a portion to “God”?
    And it’s interesting to see how Bible translators battle to doctor this passage.
    In place of “sons of God,” some substitute “sons of Israel” thus messing up an otherwise clear passage that makes a clear distinction between “Sons of men” and “Sons of God.”
    Yet other Bible translators brazenly drop the whole disturbing idea of “portion”, “allotted”, “heritage” and replace it with “But Israel he (Yahweh) chose for himself” all in efforts to sustain the false notion that the “Most High” who shared the nations is Yahweh!
    It must be admitted that these revelations have grave implications for the whole of Christendom. But that is no justification for playing the ostrich. We must face the harsh realities and make appropriate amendments. Has it not been said that “the recognition of reality is the beginning of wisdom” ? And by implication “the end of ignorance”.
    And are we not enjoined by the Christian Bible to “Wadi ohun gbogbo daju, ki o si di eyi tii se ododo mu”?
    (“Examine issues carefully and hold on tight to the facts so revealed.”)
    *If truly the English word for the Supreme Being and creator of the universe is “God,” then He is not in the Old Testament as touted over the ages till today. Therefore, it is fraud to attribute any statement in the Old Testament to God. There are only “gods” in the Old Testament, the chief of these gods was El Elyon. One of these gods was Yahweh, god of the Jews who has been craftily palmed off to the whole of Christendom as the one and only God of the universe — with the connivance of the Church.
    The Israelites were actually “idol worshippers”.
    *It was not God who chose the Jews as his own people. No, it was Yahweh, a deity (orisa).
    *It was not God who unjustly promised other peoples’ lands (Palestine/Canaan) to the Israelites. It was Yahweh.
    *It was not God who led the Israelites in the invasion and occupation of those “promised lands.” It was Yahweh.
    *It was not God who ordered the wholesale slaughter of men, women and children of Palestine (Canaan). It was Yahweh
    The fact is that Europe was sold a dummy by Jewish scholars. And Europe bought it. Then it went round the world hard-selling the dummy to other peoples at gunpoint and branding its victims “idol worshippers” not knowing that it is the one worshipping and being used as a tool in the hands of the most blood-thirsty deity in human history: Yahweh.
    The trail of blood of the Yahweh mentality is glaring: the crusades, the slave trade, the massacre of the Red Indians (original owners of America), the first and second European (World?) wars, Apartheid, the needless slaughter in the Middle East of Iraqi men, women and children over trumped up charges, the needless sacrifice of thousands of hapless American and British youths in needless wars…
    The humanistic messages [of Jesus] …, which enjoins all men to “be their brothers keepers” is an eternal message which remains the only way to world peace. And it is preached by all true teachers of humanity in different languages and forms.
    African Christians especially, should stick to those [humanistic] teachings of Jesus, purge them (teachings) of all vestiges of the Yahweh mentality and cease to be unwitting tools in the hands of foreign interests in leading the masses of their people — youths, especially—- into religious mental slavery.
    SOURCE - http://www.africaresource.com/rasta...yptian-hercules/ogunsola-the-yahweh-fraud-ii/
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    After the country went into near civil war from Akhenaten's tyrannical dictatorship, he was forced to abdicate the throne, flee Egypt, and hide in Sinai with supporting Bedouin tribes, Hebrews(haribu)/Shasu/Midianites, and other nomadic types (which parallels Moses' life). But importantly, his Kemetic support came from the Levites. That's right, the Levites of the Bible were not Hebrews, they were Egyptians designated as the priests over the Israelites (Numbers 1:1-50). This is because after Akhenaten was forced to leave Kemet, he and the Levites then taught the Hebrews everything about their spirituality/religion.


    -When a census of all the Israelites was taken in Numbers 1, it explicitly states in Numbers 1:49 that the Levites were not counted among the Israelites, but were designated as priests (1:50).


    I Have to publicly correct you because this is false doctrine/teaching. The Levites were not Kemetic they came from Jacob which are from his son Levi not of Egyptian decent at all.

    Jacob + Leah gave birth to Levi


    Gen 29:34 And she conceived again, and bare a son; and said, Now this time will my husband be joined unto me, because I have born him three sons: therefore was his name called Levi

    This is long before Levites ever came into Egypt (kemet) so to say Levites are Egyptian.

    They were not taken into the number because God was setting them apart for them to minister to the people the Law.

    Num 18:1 And the LORD said unto Aaron, Thou and thy sons and thy father's house with thee shall bear the iniquity of the sanctuary: and thou and thy sons with thee shall bear the iniquity of your priesthood.
    Num 18:2 And thy brethren also of the tribe of Levi, the tribe of thy father, bring thou with thee, that they may be joined unto thee, and minister unto thee: but thou and thy sons with thee shall minister before the tabernacle of witness.
    Num 18:3 And they shall keep thy charge, and the charge of all the tabernacle: only they shall not come nigh the vessels of the sanctuary and the altar, that neither they, nor ye also, die.

    God started a priesthood using the levites not because they were egyptian.

    Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

    Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.


    It was a changing of priesthood from order of melchisedec to levitical priesthood in which then God gave the Israelites the Law.


    Kevin

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