Discussion in 'Brother Shikamaru' started by Shikamaru, Nov 5, 2011.
Excerpts from the book, The Power Elite, by C. Wright Mills.
I'll have to back you here, Brother.
I finally understand what Brother Shikamaru referenced last time.
It's dangerous to cite White folk. Again, they are inherently racist and this is not simply a word being thrown around. I once studied quite successfully along with them. For instance, I picked up Hegel, convinced that I could not be a decent Marxist without studying Hegel. But you know what Hegel is really famous for? Claiming that Africans had no history. This means, the basis of European leftist scholarship is to disregard the African contribution to history.
However, looking honestly at Africa's contribution and historical pattern, you will find that it was mutually beneficial or even good willing.
For instance, the original "Kingdom" is Ta-Seti in Kush. Kush spread to Kemet and India and the so-called Middle East and China and Americas out of good will. It's the European who responded with piracy. It's not fitting to analyze the African under a European analysis. For instance, the Shona people are well known to be mutually beneficial--even classless! And Taharqo, a powerful Emperor of antiquity, went north to save Kemet simply to save Kemet.
Brother, re-acquainting yourself with our history will be very good for you. European theories are wrong. Always. That's what Socrates said--that's what Descartes said--that's even what Wittgenstein said ("At the core of all well-founded belief lies belief that is unfounded!")
I will strongly disagree. I study this to understand their institutions, culture, and frames of mind.
You have to know its development, how its constructed, and ultimately how can you use it for your benefit.
I happy to say the results of been spectacular for me personally. I'll continue with what's working, naturally.
This is true.
However, a negative statement by a person or number of persons doesn't negate whatever truth can be extracted from a given material.
This is a matter of opinion.
I will presume your usage of theory is within the context of "an observation, a looking into" and not the empirical context used in modern science.
The fact of the matter is that you exist in European institutions. Until Nubians construct their own worlds within those institutions created by them, it would behoove you to gather as much data as possible. Use what you can.
At the very least, it is good exercise in discernment along with separating the wheat from the chaff.
I am late to respond because I did not know how to look back at my earlier posts.
You'll soon learn that there's nothing to learn. Again, see Descartes' start.
You have spectacular results? In which African mind of yours? If your people are daily suffering, how are you doing spectacular? You done lost it if you are thinking that you are doing well.
Sure. But to make a positive statement you need a positive basis. Europeans don't have a positive basis. I'm not telling you what I think; I am telling you what I know.
No. Again. I am not telling you what I think; I am telling you what I know.
You don't get it. I exist in an African institution being abused by Europeans who are getting it wrong left and right. You are repeating what's wrong and ignoring what's right--convinced that you're doing something good. According to whom are you doing good?
Heavy D made millions and he's dead before fifty. Is that good?
You talk with no evidence. I produced Descartes example, a premier European philosopher, I produced Socrates and Wittgenstein all of whom said Europe produces nothing of intelligence. Now you want to say that you're better than their greatest Philosophers in their own game?
Brother, this isn't a debate. The White man in his lapse of lies himself said that he's wasting your time.
Why is that so hard for you to grasp?
Yes, I have spectacular results.
Do not conflate individual success with group success.
Much suffering is caused by people themselves at their own hands.
My mind is sound, thank-you.
There is no schizophrenia if that is what you are implying. No need to get testy because our opinions differ.
No, I don't think you do. You think you do, but I disagree.
Could you tell me what the African institution you exist in being abused by Europeans is?
You are stating your opinions, of course.
I'm doing good according to my will and conscious. So long as others aren't being trespassed upon by what I do, where is the wrong?
Material results are the proof of good.
I don't follow how you transition from a moral argument to death of a millionaire musician.
Exactly what does this serve to illustrate?
You speak of the opinion of philosophers and call this evidence?
I speak of my opinion. You speak of yours.
So far, no one has produced any evidence.
That's your claim. Have I stated such or is this your contrivance?
Clearly this is a debate given the length of discussion and great differences of opinion.
Let's also be clear about my time. That's nice that you are concerned about my time, but I'm the ultimate arbiter and owner of it, therefore it is mine to "waste" as you put it.
I'll take your words under advisement.
May you grasp that?
This whole economy is shaped toward the disadvantage of Africans. It's rare that anything that you do within this economy can benefit Africans. You must conflate individual success with group success--that's what survival of the fittest means. Europeans operate on "natural law." That's why some thinkers lecture us on our lack of philosophy therein.
This is true. You and I concur on this point.
Let me reiterate the title of my thread again: The Conquest Theory of the State.
On this point, you and I concur again.
I would like to recommend that you read Our Enemy the State by Albert J. Nock.
I think you will find that you and I agree on more points than we disagree.
For long term, this is very true.
Again, we are in agreement.
I agree with this to a point.
I would say Europeans attorn "natural law" into something that more suits their purposes of ruler-ship and control of a given area via State power.
This isn't all Europeans. Just those who are of the elite of a given time period.
Sorry. Sometimes when you like someone you just talk. You know?
I'll get out of you hair. But you know--actually, I know that you would agree with me on many points, since the truth is rarely disagreeable between Africans and when either of us speak truth we agree.
But our fundamental difference is actually a large, large one. You believe that the European has something worth saying and I do not.
We have a different upbringing I guess. I hung with the smartest Europeans and found them to be dunces. That's my upbringing. B-) Maybe you just don't care to measure them.
You aren't in my hair. This is a discussion. Debate and discuss away.
Europeans have much Nubians can learn about and from, in my opinion.
Don't throw out the baby with the bath water. Knowledge is knowledge. Truth is truth no matter the source or from whom it comes.
This is a fallacy of false implication by suggestion and, in my opinion, is irrelevant to supporting your position.
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